okay first, of all, if you say your a very tolarant person and you want to try to accept people more, why do keep insisting on calling homosexuals ******s? the profanity just makes you look more intolarant and ignorant about the subject.
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Don't give me this hypocrite bull****. I just set standards for myself. I believe homosexuality can be overcome cause God can help these people. As far as it being wrong and not natural outspokenme...."Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable". Leviticus 18:22. There's your proof. Want more? "If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable". Ok, so God isn't down with homosexuality. Does this mean they are terrible people are can't be saved? No. I'm no better than the ***** out there. I sin too, and need God's grace just as much. But the fact is, it's wrong. That's not something I'm gonna bend about. It's set in stone. As far as gay people having children, it too, is wrong. It's straight up unnatural. Not in an against society unnatural, but an against nature unnatural. Who the hell would want to subject a poor little child to that crap? That being said, there are definitely a lot of **** heterosexual parents out there, but that's besides the point. And about creating kids....that's wrong too. It's unnatural. How many children are out there for adoption? We get carried away with this technology crap. Ok, you're infertile. That's sad, but why do you have to create life in an unnatural way now? Americans are damn spoiled, and that's what a lot of this comes down to. We're all in to this freedom crap and we feel entitled to everything. So we abuse the power and freedom we have to serve our own selfish desires. I'm not a hypocrite. I just draw certain lines. I'm a VERY tolerant person. I don't hate *****, although it may come across that way. It is just that, in the Bible, there is nothing wrong with being black. So I think people need to be more tolerant about minorities. The Bible says we should respect all people equally. I guess that's something I gotta get better at when it comes to *****, but I'm not gonna condone and support homosexuality or any aspect of it. It's straight up wrong.

Kilow: You cannot say homosexuality is a choice unless you are gay. That's just obvious. How do you know it can be overcome unless you yourself have overcome it? Unless you have done that then stop using it as an argument because frankly it's bs - you can't back it up.

I also don't think that there's anything about a gay couple that prevents them from being able to successfully raise a child. They can feed them, they can clothe them, they can love them. Anything missing? They wouldn't have a 'normal' family but plenty of people can claim that with totally straight parents. Not saying ALL gay people are great parental figures but neither are all straight people - look at it this way, any old straight person can have kids, they could be a satanist or violent and abusive or completely lacking in morals and that wouldn't affect their rights to have a child. Seeing as we're pretty lax in these areas I don't see what our problem is in gay people having children.

I think you've put your foot in it posting a topic on seeing things from the other side of the fence while having no inclination to do so on the subject of homosexuality. You could at least try. As it is you're coming across as kinda hypocritical. You're fine with minorities as long as you are the minority, right?

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Yeah, those nasty gays demanding specail rights. How rude, wanting to be let in Boy Scouts! How inapproriate, to want to be able to walk down the street without getting yelled at, thrown stuff at or beaten. And how silly of them to believe they deserve to be able to hold down jobs like straight people can.

By the way, with a help of a lab, two women CAN have a female baby. No way for two men though, yet. AAnd you do know, kilow, that there are straight couples unable to have babies? Are they wrong, too?

As for whether homosexuality is in birth or not. I'm not gay so maybe I can't give the best answer, but I remember when I was five I had a crush on Peter Pan. I thought he was really cute. I had a "boyfriend". My sisters would ask me if I thought the guys on their posters were cute. I started thinking about boys in a more sexual ways in elementry school. Many gay people I've talked to said similar things happened to them around the same age. A girl I talk to online said she had a crush on a girl in kindergarden, just like I liked boys at that age. I've got a boyfriend now- and she's also with a girl.

Where exactly did God say homosexuality wasn't natural? And (second time I've asked this of someone today) do you follow everything that's supposedly the word of God? Because there's a lot of crazy, rather unacceptable (by today's society's standards) that God has said that people definitely don't follow.

I don't know anyone who can legally have a kid, mostly because I have no idea what exactly that means. Do you mean biologically? Because as of right now, you'd be correct in that there is no successful technology in a same-sex couple create biological offspring. But for a same-sex couple to have guardianship over a child/children, there are places were this is completely legal, and rightfully so.

There is nothing wrong with asking for additional benefits, it's quite common, and again, with our health care system, completely understandable.

Hold up hold up hold up. Damn. You're telling me it's normal for two ***** to legally have a kid? Bull****. A man and a woman can have a kid. Not a man and a man. Not a woman and a woman. About the health benefits...that's not excuse for them wanting special benefits? That has nothing to do with it. Homosexuality isn't natural cause God said it. Laugh if you want. And I never said "because something isn't normal it's wrong". I'm the last mainstream ***** in this world. I just know where to set standards. They may be wrong at times, but I still set them.

the right to marry is in no way special. Love is a basic human need, and marriage is (sometimes) a good way to fulfill that need. Having children? This is a right that ABSOLUTELY NO ONE should because to grant or deny a person. It's not up to them. Regarding health care benefits, well, the US healthcare systems sucks, much better in just about any modern country. Nah.


And, btw, I'm still waiting to hear why homosexuality is not natural.

As for normalcy: Normalcy is determined by average, which is determined by the statistics, which is based on the majority and minority of a subject, so it really has little value. Just because something is not normal, means it's wrong? Wouldn't that be a sad world indeed.

Right to marry, right to legally have children, and special health benefits are not special rights? Yeah right.

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They all think they are so damn special that they should get all these special rights, but as soon as someone questions them, they say "we're just like everyone else". Bull****.

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IF you go read about how Gays actually feel about this NO ONE feels they are special and get special rights. Its not "special" rights. Its right every american should have. Freedom to CHOOSE! And Gays are just like everyone else. They wear clothes talk sing dance party listen eat pee drive walk ect ect....just like everyone does. How is that NOT like everyone else?

And yes person who posted the Bible quote it does say that....but the Bible also says" Thou shall not kill" And God accepts everyone as they accept him. God Forgives.God will be there when you need him no matter who you are.


BTW...thanks for the comments everyone. Its interesting to see peoples p.o.v's

Eh, whatever. I don't want to give rights to people for an unjust cause. I don't believe anyone is BORN gay. I'm not hating on anyone. And about the special rights...they want the right to marry, special health benefits, the right to have children...what the ****? A child is for a MAN AND A WOMAN. Would should ***** be able to legally have a child? That's the path they chose, and they gotta deal with the bull**** that comes with it.

I haven't been told to suck it up cause I've got a just cause. *****(sorry, don't feel like spelling out the whole word) don't. What the hell is wrong with this society? Everyone gets into the whole "I'm free" rut and don't set standards. I'm not for oppressing anyone. But ***** need to understand the condition of society towards them. What about their gay parades? Yeah, that doesn't draw attention or anything...no gives a **** if they are gay or not. They need to quit broadcasting it. Black people were born black. Minorities were born in the minority. Gay people aren't born gay. They don't have a just cause.

umm where do i start? okay i guess i will start here...

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...they think they are so damn special that they should get all these special rights...

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kilow- you said to me in another topic here at youthnoise that i needed to look at the other side of the story. well, i am wondering why you aren't doing that here...you seem to be so disgusted by homosexuality that you are blind to how they ARE real people and they ARE just like everyone else. no one gets "special" rights and i don't think that that is what they are asking for...they are asking for the same rights that everyone else has...the freedom to be themselves and not have do deal with discrimination from people like you. it seems to me that you think because you are a minority yourself, that you have the right to determine who is "special enough" to be a minority and fight for the rights that are entitled to EVERYONE anyway...i hate to sound angry, but just about everything you said was rude and hateful with no consideration for any homosexuals that might read your post. you talked about looking at the other side of discrimination and intolarance...maybe you should practice what you preach. and to outspokenme- you made excellent points....exactly what i was thinking. -e.k.

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Homosexuality is gay

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That's a redundant statement.

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what the hell do they expect? They all think they are so damn special that they should get all these special rights, but as soon as someone questions them, they say "we're just like everyone else". Bull****...homosexuals comparing their plight to the plight of minorities. Or to the Civil Rights Movement. Bull****.

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Whoa. I think we both can agree that homosexuality is a minority to heterosexuality, in the same way that African Americans are the minority (in general, in the US) to Caucasians. They are both being discriminated against, so how is it so different. They are the minority so the minority's plight is the plight of any minority being discriminated against by the majority.

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It's natural to be black. You're born black. You can't do anything about that. It's not natural to be gay.

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Explain to me how it's not natural? Do homosexuals do something out of the ordinary, perhaps take special gay-drugs, or maybe they got hit with the gay-stick one too many times as a child (sarcasm major)? If you can explain to me how "it's not natural to be gay" I'll be more than happy to listen.

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Blacks and other minorities had something worth fighting. It's not like we set ourselves up for the discrimination. Gays do...

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Yes, I'll bet that any and every homosexual gets up in the morning and says "I think I'll act especially homosexual today, in hopes some homophobe will discriminate against me so I can cry out in justice!"

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Gays do, so aside from hardcore discrimination and violence, they just gotta suck it up.

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You've got a topic about racism in here, have you ever been told to "suck it up?", or "get over it?" because if you have, the way you felt is *exactly* the way homosexuals feel when told to "suck it up."

Homosexuality is gay. ***** bring it on themselves. Sure, they shouldn't be discriminated against and ****, but what the hell do they expect? They all think they are so damn special that they should get all these special rights, but as soon as someone questions them, they say "we're just like everyone else". Bull****. You're going against the course of nature. And this is what I hate most: homosexuals comparing their plight to the plight of minorities. Or to the Civil Rights Movement. Bull****. It's natural to be black. You're born black. You can't do anything about that. It's not natural to be gay. Blacks and other minorities had something worth fighting. It's not like we set ourselves up for the discrimination. Gays do, so aside from hardcore discrimination and violence, they just gotta suck it up.

maybe what he means by "homosexuality is freedom" is that freedom should be freedom to be homosexual or heterosexual if you choose. i'm not too sure, but that's what i got from it. kisses and blesses, e.k.

I dont know what bible you are reading but mine says Leviticus 20:13 (If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death: their blood will be on their own heads.) Now dont go off thinking I am a gay hater, i just dont agree with the life style. But at the same time I will not support what I believe as wrong either. Now I dont want to hurt people and i am sorry that someone was hurt as bad as the two you mentioned but some people take things over board. Now please explain to me how being homosexual is freedom? If anything it is a hardship not a freedom, being ridiculed and picked on because you like men over women. Thats is just tough I guess.

i SO VERY MUCH agree with you and get what you are saying, that is EXACTLY the way i feel about how homosexuals are treated today. but most of all what disturbs me about it, is how at school among teenagers today, is that the word "gay" is used as a term that pretty much means "stupid, retarted, disqusting"...if someone doesn't like something, they say, "oh, this is gay". or if a guy isn't as popular as the cool guys, they say, "he's gay." i wonder do they even know what it means anymore? do they even know who they are offending and how many people it might hurt? they toss around the word fa**ot like they are saying "and", "the" or "but", and it's almost as popular as the all-famous "like" that they use between every phrase...i don't think anyone who does this has any respect for the people around them and especially homosexuals. i have never seen any actual violence against homosexual, but i do know that it is a very serious problem, and maybe we can start to solve problems like these by first looking at the things we say and the language we use, and definately change how we think the word "gay" is a bad thing. in an invironment like this, it is very hard for me to talk to people about the way i feel. teenage years have been hard enough, but when you start to get confused about who you are and maybe think "am i a lesbian?" there is almost noone to go to that will give you good positive advice and direction...goodness knows, you can't go to your friends anymore, because everyone has the same idea...i don't know....just my veiw on the subject. kisses and blesses. -e.k.