Are you sure they're the same? Elsewhere in the site, mystery2 put up a new post, asking for help in useing the site. Hmmm.

I'm with Jen and Sunset. Guys I think they are the same person.

Yeah, that's what I wanna know to... I'm getting confused.
-Sunset

Wait...is mystery2 actually kelso, or am I misunderstanding something?

Kelso- your saying someone losing their life is helping others. Are you a fan of Bush cause your sounding just like him.

suicide can actually get people to change thier lives. when close friends commit suicide it can help change someones life for the better.....or just drive it through the ground.....but anyway it can actually help turn someones life around.

Mike, I think everyone is handed a "tough card" on life. It's not easy. But, threw some way, we all live threw it. I'm not trying to get all preachy... And thanks.

Yes, music is fantastic! It can put you in a great mood on a bad day. I just love it! Hope everything get's better for you all,
-Sunset

Jen,
I tried going off meds...it wasnt too great. Someday though i will take heed to your advice. I've always loved meditation, my mantra is music. Making and/or completely emersing myself within music can put me in a complete sense of euphora...its amazing...thanks for your input.

Sunset,
I'm sorry life has handed you a tough card...but your still alive, and your strong willed to have lived through that....maybe there is some greater porpose for you being alive? i dont know, im not much for fate or anything, but hey, live, learn and live to learn how to love the life your living...wee lots of l's...
-mike

Ah, medication. I'm finally off most of mine...I couldn't stand the thought that I was so dependent on something. Of course, not everyone can or should get off their meds, but if you do try it, look into options like meditation and biofeedback. They helped quite a bit with mine. Sort of training your mind to neutralize stress that's triggered by certain situations. My anti-dep cocktail is now over with...just hope I'm not getting depressed again. *sigh* Ah, well. Just thought I'd add a bit to the med topic. Also, I've never tried to kill myself, so either my depression wasn't as severe as some, or having my brother do it made me more aware of what it does to other people, and gave me a reason not to. Not sure which; maybe it's a combination. Love, Jen.

Mike, I totaly understand what you're saying. I also have a mental disorder, anxiety attacks. I get "night terrors." I was once a "wild child." I have another mental disorder, my brain doesn't have enough DSL and lets just say, that I have (tried) to commit suicide. My life is dependent on these pills, if I miss just one little pill I can sure as hell kill myself. This is a very hard thing to deal with. It is not fun being tormented and feeling like a total outcast. Someone always points out one little something. Just one little thing and I break down. Having these problems and dyslexia is not fun.

Being abused is also one of my causes to kill myself. I just wanted to get out of this depressed hell hole. These are some reasons why people kill themselves or some other factor is the cause.

Like, being abused, sexually abused, or just being harrassed. A persons death. ect. Are also causes. Soemtimes drugs/or alcohol are involved. It's just things people do to get away. Like doing drugs, or drinking. Just to get away.

People need to think about there actions. Just think, if you make fun of somebody, that could be the last time you see them. I hope people don't judge me on this, I just thought I would share.
-Sunset

All i have to say to the people without them that shun suicide and think its foolish and even selfish....Try living with a mental dissorder...or multiple at that, ive got about 4 (no im not bragging) that were induced through what certain doctors think was post traumatic stress syndrome, and im most likely going to take them with me to my death bed. Its not fun, yes im on medication, when i wasnt properly medicated, i was very suicidal, and even now, once in a blue moon, the thought might cross my mind. Alot of people seem to think medicine is the answer...and sure it helps alot, but its kind of depressing to think that my sanity and well being depends on these stupid ****ing pills...also, they dont completely help, theres always that tinge of depression and anxiety i have to deal with on my own everyday, and im constantly battling myself trying to make myself feel "normal" and as sane and happy as everyone else...i dont know...another rant by me...just dont judge until you've really truley expierienced
-mike

my view is different jus like i believe eer1 elses is im not sayin its right and im not saying its wrong.....its up to the person debaten it or not... its their choice and they COMPLETELY understand the reasons for why they would want to commit it where as others trying to talk them out of it only know bits adn pieces

At one point in time, i had tried to, and i dont really need to open up about that, but i just don't relaly know what i was thinking at that time, to make think that eliminating my precense would have solved anything.

Heh, yeah really Jen. I agree. If you didn't quite make a point to agree to, pretend there was one.

Why are there so many smilies on a suicide thread? And as to what suicide means to me...let's not go there. I haven't known you long enough to subject you to one of my long, emotional rants. Love, Jen.

It didn't work and i don't understand why i wanted to leave this place.

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No, I dont believe suicide is wrong. I do see a point to suicide in those cases.

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ah, someone understands me

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Please...dont give up

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too late

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You've already had faith? You've already tried?

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was that aimed at me or not?


on a side note. and to answer your question of what suicide means to me? im not telling you. ive posted this in other places, and like collielvr said, look there.

well, im very sympathetic to Suicide, the subject itself. I have my own opinions, depending on what the situation is. For example, if youre just a spurned lover, undergoing a minor case of depression, or live in a world where it is possible for things to get better...no, I dont believe suicide is right.

However, if a mentally-challenged or mentally-ill person completes suicide, and he is battling a series of mental disorders, suffering a great amount of depression; knows that no one but God could care for him, or doesnt know better...No, I dont believe suicide is wrong. I do see a point to suicide in those cases.

I'm not encouraging people to commit suicide. No way! I'm just saying, if already commited under one of those circumstances right above (not in the very first paragraph), then, fine. But, any suicidal person should always try to have more faith.

To any suicidal person reading this out there -- Please...dont give up. Even if you may be angry w/ God or have doubts about His exsistance...just pray to Him -- from your heart -- and He shall bless you and make things better. DON'T CLOSE THIS FORUM OR STOP READING. I'm serious, guys...thats how I was "cured". If it werent for God, I wouldnt be typing out this post for y'all right now...I love you, and God loves you...and, there must be someone around you who does, also. Please find that person and talk to them...and see if you can't get better. Remember, things DO get better! Life can't stay like that forever! You've heard stories? Ignore them. You can have more faith in that...if you have God on your side. You've already had faith? You've already tried? I know it sucks to hear this (DONT CLOSE THIS), but you've got to at least talk it out then, or write it out in a journal...Please, I'm begging you. Don't attempt suicide, attempt to finally get help for yourself.

Do it for me. Don't know me? Do it for the people you love.

Do it for Jesus.

May God Bless You...


Lizco45 - there are many other suicide posts on here, too, w/ more encouraging stories. Visit some of those...they're in "In Your Face and At School" and "Zen and the Art of Mind/Body Maintenance"