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.and a bad one!

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According to whom?

if ur parents say u can like boys not just girls thats a factor ur not born gay it is a decision....and a bad one!

Power to iamstar! Rock your stockers is right! Anyways about the post. If you chose to be Gay it is more likely than not because you loved someone. How many people have said it through the ages. There is nothing that Love cannot overpower. Including hate. Although when you think about it hate and love are essentially the same thing. Focusing all of your mind and energy on one person with an intense emotion. ::shrug shrug::

BTW here is a link to a story that is really touching and an example of the results of the hatred of society.

http://www.jimwheeler.org/story.html

Personally I think that you are born gay, it's not a decision. Secondly, I don't see what is wrong with someone being gay and I don't see why people have a problem with it. I mean how can any one person who isn't gay go around and say being straight is normal? How does anyone know what God intented when the Bible was written? I think the Bible can be inturperted in more than one way and how you choose to inturpert it is the equivalent of what you believe.

::hangs head in shame:: Oh well here I go again. First of all recovering anything, be it alcoholic or homosexual, are only recovering until they slip up. That's right it takes once and only once to slip into your old habits. And let's not kid ourselves here. I have tried to supress my homosexuality for years and all it does is lie dormant within you boiling your blood waiting to get out. Just like "recovering" alcoholics are constantly dying for that sip whether they know it or not. And once you are something (i.e. alcoholic) you will always be a "recovering" something for the rest of your life. Because you are not truly recovered unless you never did it again and there is no chance of you not doing it again until you die. Being gay has consequences just like anything else. Personally I do not believe being gay is a choice. I didn't ask to be gay and a day hasn't gone by that I haven't gotten on my knees and begged God to make it stop. The constant torment of knowing I am not normal that I am not right in his eyes. And what was worse was that he still loved me. I am an avid Christian and an avid homosexual. Despite how many people would find that to be an oxymoron and conundrum, I have suffiecient Biblical proofs to support my claim. I have argued the point many a time on whether or not homosexuals go to heaven. With myself and others because, and this is especially true of Christians who find themselves questioning their sexualtiy, I had sentenced myself to hell in my mind. I had come to terms with the fact that God doesn't want some freak homosexual and he is going to throw me into the fires of hell. But that's not true. I am still stewing about something else so I have to gather my thoughts.

Has anyone else noticed that gay marriage and 30-year-old service records are becoming the primary issues in this election?

What do you guys think about that?

SolG

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marriage and love are about having kids ok 2 men or 2 women cant have kids and let me also say that if sum1 who wuz already my friend said they were gay i might still b friends wit them but becoming friends with a gay person is 2 big a gap to jump

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1. As previously said before: Please type better and don't use shortcuts you use IMing.
2. Ever heard of adoption?
3. Ever heard of invitro fertilization?
4. With the way science is, it's only a matter of time until peole of the same sex can reproduce WITHOUT a member of the opposite sex present.

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And why is getting to know someone who is gay such a big step? They're still people, you know, they're still human. They just date different people is all. Why is that so difficult to accept?

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i'd like to know SolG's answer too. wellllll...

Love is not about reproduction. It is about being around a person that makes you feel good, okay? And marriage may be about having kids in a way that society accepts, which is quite bigoted.

And why is getting to know someone who is gay such a big step? They're still people, you know, they're still human. They just date different people is all. Why is that so difficult to accept?

marriage and love are about having kids ok 2 men or 2 women cant have kids and let me also say that if sum1 who wuz already my friend said they were gay i might still b friends wit them but becoming friends with a gay person is 2 big a gap to jump

Excuse me.

First of all, please type in a manner which we can all read, not just those of us on this board that have adapted to use the computer faster by typing dumber.

Second, how dare you say that I don't fall in love with other girls for any other reason than I have failed with guys. Most homosexuals fail with the opposite sex because they realize they're gay! Is this making sense to you, or can you not read it?

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and i hate em cause its sick disgusting it aint luv

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My very best friend is a gay male and I love him dearly. I knew nothing about homosexuality until he came out to me and I opened my mind enough to accept him fully. You may think he's disgusting, but I think he's an amazing person. I know how to look past his sexuality because it's not friggin' important. He loves to play videogames, he loves to be silly, he loves to make me laugh. He's normal in every aspect of his life. He's a good student, a hard worker, and an all around good person with a kind heart. The only difference is he loves differently. But it doesn't matter. When he knows I'm upset, he holds me and I return the favor. He's the only reason why I'm alive today. There's nothing to hate about him.

Have you ever loved someone that much? Do you know how much it hurts when someone with your attitude comes along and tells you your best friend, your family, your heart and soul is sick and disgusting? You're the sick one. You're the cause of too many suicides, too much abuse, and too much hatred. My best friend has tried to take his life 5 times.

Small minded idiots like you who make fun of him and call him derogatory names, are nothing but insecure dimwitted morons who need to hurt somebody in order to make themselves feel high and mighty. Well guess what, you're not even worth the dirt I walk on. You're nothing.

Great, you've made me cry. I hope you're f***ing happy.

man gays suk i have never meet any1 who likes them i know whites who hate em blacks who hate em hispanics who hate etc. and i hate em cause its sick disgusting it aint luv its ppl who have failed wit tha oppisite sex and that is their last resort

conflictingzest,
just wondering, could you make yourself gay? could you make yourself be attracted to guys (you're male, right?) if you were trained and conditioned and whatnot? think really hard about it. if you're straight (i have no idea if you are), could something ever make you make out with a man?

just curious

I would just like to say thank you to all of you who have responded with your opinions, mostly because you keep my boring life interesting.

And to everyone that disagrees with something I've said on here, or on any other board, thanks for your input as well.

~M~

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Also God created man and woman to be a perfect whole, physically and emotionally and spiritually.

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Well then how the **** do you explain a woman and a woman or a man and a man being a perfect whole, physically, emotionally and spiritually?

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apparently you haven't read about apparent gay suicides or anything of the like in which ppl want to become straight but never really bother to look to God for help so they kill themselves.

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I think I know a little bit more about homosexuals, considering the fact that some of my best friends are homosexual, and I would never stoop to judge them because some God told me to, especially considering they are better people than myself, and probably you. I know that homosexuals commit suicide, but so do straight people, and I doubt they usually do it because they want to be homosexual. I'm sure homosexuals commit suicide, not because they are homosexual, but what goes along with being homosexual, which is a lifetime of hearing they are going to hell, after a lifetime of hearing they are inferior because of something they can't control, after a lifetime of being discriminated against, and after months of hearing their own president talk about gay marriage as though it is disgusting. That's why homosexuals commit suicide; not because they are homosexual.

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So christianity wouldn't condemn heterosexuality ever and it's a poor questio nto ask.

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Ever heard of hypothetical question? I'm not saying Christianity is going to condemn heterosexuality. I'm asking what you would do if they did.

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the fact that God created us to multiply

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Do you know that scientists have taken two female rats, and without the help of a male, gotten them to reproduce another femal rat? If they can do that with rats, imagine what the can do with humans!

That's weird, don't you think, that two people of the same sex can REPRODUCE without the help of someone of a different sex. I guess they ARE reproducing and multiplying, just like God created them to do.

conflictinzest:
""People of my faith don't judge you on who you "love" we simply wish for you to come to have a relationship with Jesus.""

I have a question then; if people that follow the same religious sect you do only wish for a relationship with Jesus, then why is there such discrimination inside the churches, so that a gay minister is front-page news?

""Of course i don't know you and i don't want to, simply because you sound liek some attitudinal pre-teen with a chip on her shoulder towards anyone with an opposing view.""

I probably am what most would consider "attitudinal", but I don't have a chip on my shoulder. I'm just making for interesting debating, that's all. I really do welcome your point of view, because that's what this whole message board thing is all about. I'm actually quite sorry if I seem very angry towards anyone that doesn't agree with me - I've just had some difficult run-ins with people that judge me by how I look and by who I am attracted to. I really am sorry about that.

""We are not making them untrue to themselves, we're making them see their true selves and what God created them to be.""

And I'm really wondering HOW other people would know just how god created other people to be?

""also i am alright with Gays, i don't hate them and i don't discriminate, it's uncomfortable to be hit on by a guy but i don't care if any of my friends are gay. I would just have to be a good friend to them and try to talk to them about jesus, i'm not gay-bashing i'm showing an opposing opinion to your own.""

Yeah, I understand what you mean when you say it's uncomfortable to be hit on by a guy. It's kind of odd for me to have to tell some great guy that I'm not interested. Then again, circumstances are probably a liiiiiiiiiiiittle different there....
And I am actually very happy for all of your friends to have someone as dedicated to them as to your faith as you by their side, whether or not they are gay or straight. I'm sure they're very thankful to have you around.

~M~

Conflictingzest, I don't think you understood what I was saying.

EX-GAYS AND EX-GAY MINISTRIES ARE LYING LYING LYING LYING LYING LYYYYYYYING. They are LIARS, hellbent on eliminating homosexuals with their LIES. They aren't helping anyone at all. Can you not read?

They are LYING!!!

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F***ing hell. These people who are part of the 0.01% were FORCED with inhumane techniques into "heterosexuality". It wasn't God, it wasn't the power of prayer, it was electro shock therapy, castration, torture. Whatever these pro-family bullsh*t websites are telling you, is a flat out LIE. Their testimonials are LIES. They hire these people and pay them to LIE. Some of them aren't even gay! They get you to believe them, and try to make the homosexual population feel like sh*t. They make them feel SO sh*tty, they make them believe they can change. Gays can NOT change. And if they dont want to they shouldn't have to, so back the he** off.

Can you read that or are you still blind?

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Earthgoddes, yes there is biblical basis, i know what you're going to say, "BAH! T"S ALL IN THE OT!1 I am 7331 researchorz" but if you look into it there is a difference between different laws in the OT, such as the beards andn the not lying with a man.

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Thank you for proving to me you didn't read my previous post. Excuse me while I slit my wrists.

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I don't care if you're Gay

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The fact that he is gay is incredibly important because you don't know what his life is like. You don't know what it's like to be told that you're unnatural and that god hates you. The only people who matter in these debates are GAY PEOPLE. Why? Because they know what they're talking about. Did that process through your skull?

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apparently you haven't read about apparent gay suicides or anything of the like in which ppl want to become straight but never really bother to look to God for help so they kill themselves.

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Ok, now I'm mad. The reason why these people kill themselves is because they are told that they are less than human and so they feel like second class citzens all their lives because of people like you. My best friend has tried to kill himself 5 times, he doesn't want to be straight, he just wants to feel accepted, but you're making it worse for him.

I don't know why I bother anymore. You never listen to me or actual gay people and I always end up crying in the end. You are going straight to hell. You are spreading lies that are maliciously hurting millions of people. Do some research for once in your life.

[This message was edited by HanaNOISE on August 06, 2004 at 10:01 AM.]