HELLO. I know that most of you thought that I was gone and that you would be able to spout your radical veiws and ignorant thought un-checked. Well I'm back to strike down your outlandish ideas and support the righeous ideology of conservatism.

Now I know that most of the people on this site feel that an unborn child has no rights and should be allowed to be murdered, although defenceless. I would like to get your opinion and open a discussion on the hipocracy of today's society.

You see, in many states, there are laws that allow prosecution if an unborn child is killed along with it's mother and even laws that allow the prosecution of killing an unborn child even if the mother is not killed.

Contrast this with societies feelings on abortion. Many feel that abortion is alright, even thought the child is being murdered.

Am I the only one on this site that finds this deplorable??


"Freedom is not Free"-Korean War Memorial, Washington DC.

abortion is stupid.....it really is i mean you abort ya baby you have just murdered an inacint person...you may think ta yaself or ill neva kill any1 but you have an abortion youve just become a murderer simple as that some ppl may not agree with me n thats fine but alot of ppl i kno beleive the same thing by haven an abortion ya not only killin a iniscent person but your becomen a murderer

P.S.sorry if i sounded a lil harsh but thats just how i feel

Hmmmm. YOU HAVE ALL LOST THE PLOT! A baby is a gift. A gift from God. A baby may be unexpected, but who knows what's gonna happen? None of us know whats going to happen tomorrow. Nobody cares anymore, people become more selfish everyday. STOP AND THINK. This child ( although unborn) is already inside you, already recieving nutrition from your body. Has already aquired Your DNA. Will be born and look alot like you, he/she will one day go to school, Maybe college, Have a wife/husband, have children, Have grandchildren, and then one day die.... IT'S NOT YOUR CHOICE. But you do have 1 choice... Don't have sex if your not ready for the consiquences. YOU DECIDE TO HAVE SEX, then you take on the burden of having to live with that descision! BTW. CelticNewAger, you might LEARN patience from a baby! LIFE IS WHAT YOU MAKE OF IT!

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until a baby can survive outside its mother its not a person and tha mother should be able to do wutever

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First off, how would someone be able to tell when each individual baby could survive outside the mother? Secondly, I disagree. I believe that if something is human, then it should be give the most basic human right - the right to live. People are humans from conception on, so abortion should not be allowed
(unless both the mother and the baby will die if the baby is born).

until a baby can survive outside its mother its not a person and tha mother should be able to do wutever

Well, this can go either way...

Let me put it this way ... if I was raped and became pregnant, I sure as hell would never keep the baby and I wouldn't want someone else to have him or her either. I WOULD have an abortion. No doubt about it.

If there was medical risks for I or the baby, I would have an abortion.

If I had unprotected sex and was not ready to have a kid, I would put the baby up for adoption. If I was in my teens, I would have an abortion.

I think it's fine under some circumstances, but not for birth control. (Yes, some people out there use it as birth control)
-Sunset

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yes they ahve a happy home and a good life and they are happy yet they want to know y they were so easy to give up.

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I believe a child wondering why he/she was given up is better than a child who never had that opportunity in the first place because it was killed. It should not be the mtoher's choice to make because this is not an issue on opinion, but on the facts of life. This is not a moral or subjective issue, but it is an objective and factual issue.

As far as the whole adoption thing goes, some women can't even continue with their life while going through the pregnancy, they can't afford to do it.

~Kitty

when it comes to abortion many things have to come into play. like what if a woman is raped and becomes pregnant? or what if she finds out that she is pregnant and dying or sick and doesn't want to pass that on to their child to leave even more of a burden? adoption works but it can and most times does make ot hard on children. yes they ahve a happy home and a good life and they are happy yet they want to know y they were so easy to give up. in the end it should be up to the mother and there should be certain guidlines for abortion

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Adoption can do the same thing as an abortion - get rid of the problem for the mother. The only difference is that there will be another human being living on earth and not dead. The arguments you are giving are saying that abortion will get rid or the unwanted hastle - adoption can do the same!

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yes, adoption is another choice. but if the mother is responsible, she should be allowed to make the choice between adoption and abortion. some mothers can't stand the thought of their child being out there and in some cases, not being allowed to see their child. also, if the child isn't going to have a fair shot at life, it isn't necessarily fair to make it suffer through life. i'm not saying abortion is necessarily the right thing to do, but if the mother is responsible, she should be given the choice to make herself.

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i think it should be the mother's choice if she is to have an abortion or not. say its a +30 woman is pregnant and they do an amniocentesis on the woman/child and they find out the child has down syndrome or another disability where the child needs extra care for life, ect, i think that that woman should decide if she can give that child the extra care that it needs at her age or not and then she should be given the choice to have an abortion or not. but if people abuse the privelage, i don't think its right. for example, if a 15 year old girl continues to get pregnant and have abortions, i think thats wrong and shouldn't be allowed.

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Adoption can do the same thing as an abortion - get rid of the problem for the mother. The only difference is that there will be another human being living on earth and not dead. The arguments you are giving are saying that abortion will get rid or the unwanted hastle - adoption can do the same!

i think it should be the mother's choice if she is to have an abortion or not. say its a +30 woman is pregnant and they do an amniocentesis on the woman/child and they find out the child has down syndrome or another disability where the child needs extra care for life, ect, i think that that woman should decide if she can give that child the extra care that it needs at her age or not and then she should be given the choice to have an abortion or not. but if people abuse the privelage, i don't think its right. for example, if a 15 year old girl continues to get pregnant and have abortions, i think thats wrong and shouldn't be allowed.

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Only republicans and religious indivduals complain about it.

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And it's only liberals and people with pretty much no morals that feel it's alright for a women to kill her baby.

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It's a fact of life

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You mean that it's a fact of life that having sex could possibly cause you to become pregnant, and that might mean you'd have to gain some responsibilty and deal with the consequences?

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Having a child is a big responsiblity, and no matter one, you will always be at a disadvantage in life because you had a child young

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My mom had me at 21. She finished college and got a job. My friend's mom had her older sister at 16. She finished high school, went on to college, and now lives happily ever after. An unwanted pregnancy is not the same as an unwanted child. Just because something unexpected some along, it doesn't mean your life with be ruined. In fact, it could make your life better.

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Babies are expensive to keep, and it all depends on your lifestlye in general.

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They're expensive to abort, also. So adoption is the cheapest way to go.

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You shouldn't have to change your way of life just for some kid you don't even want.

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Hmm...so what you're saying is, a woman could have a lifestyle as a prostitute, and could become pregnant. But since she does not want this child, she should be able to abort it and keep on living her life as a prostitute?

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KEEP YOUR LEGS CLOSED

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I totally, and completely agree for woman's choice. It's her body, and she can whatever she sees fit to do with it. Only republicans and religious indivduals complain about it. It's a fact of life, and you can't hinder a person by implementing your ideals onto someone's life, just because you don't like it. In case you may not have heard, there are many a case about teenagemothers who sometimes kill their child by throwing them away in dumpsters, drowning them or leaving them to die somewhere. Being that you actually care about the babies, their lives after being born should be more of a priority then what happens before it's even considered alive in any way, shape or form. Yes, there are organizations that help young women, but after awhile, the only person that can help you is yourself. Having a child is a big responsiblity, and no matter one, you will always be at a disadvantage in life because you had a child young. Can't go out with yuor friends, no dates, your life is on the verge on ruin with an unwanted pregnancy in one's life. And that's basically as a teen. As a grown woman... things could be much worse. Babies are expensive to keep, and it all depends on your lifestlye in general. You shouldn't have to change your way of life just for some kid you don't even want. Women should be allowed to have abortions because it is their life and no one's opinion should alter their ideals.

I am shocked to have actually found something to agree with you about, Bush. I find it sickening that abortion is acceptable at all. The way to keep from "having" to have an abortion is to KEEP YOUR LEGS CLOSED if you can't figure out how not to get pregnant! If you can't figure that out you deserve to be "shackled" to a child for 18 years. I know that there are some instances where someone really does get pregnant unwillingly (rape), but I don't believe that killing the baby is an option.

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God is a cold hearted baby killer. I can find more quotes if you want me to.

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I don't mean to bring any religion in this, but God isn't the one killing the babies. We are.

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God doesn't really have anything to do with this topic.

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Sure he does.

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God is a cold hearted baby killer. I can find more quotes if you want me to.

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Alright I don't remember what thread I said this on, but God doesn't really have anything to do with this topic. I'm Christian, but showing me passages isn't going to change my mind.

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And what exactly are you trying to prove with that passage?

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God is a cold hearted baby killer. I can find more quotes if you want me to.

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This IS the Holocaust of our day.

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I feel bad for the jews who actually went through the Holocaust, who have to hear little kids compare the atrocities they experienced to the aborting of a bunch of embryos. It's not the Holocaust.

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There are NOT thousands of children w/o homes.

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Who the hell told you that?

Get this through your heads - Rape is the reason for LESS THAN 1% of all abortions. Still, that is not any reason to kill a person. Also, if you cannot raise a child, there IS a thing called ADOPTION. ADOPTION people! And it is a large fallacy that children who are put up for adoption have horrible lives. That is false. Also, every child who is put of for adoption IS given a home. There are NOT thousands of children w/o homes. Wherever you heard that, mark that off as a reliable resource.


This issue is NOT even a religious issue. It is an issue of common sense and giving human dignity to humans. The baby has all its unalienable rights the moment it is created - not the moment of birth. How stupid is the argument of the moment of birth anyway?