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Registered: June 02, 2004
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Live and Let Live. Love and Let Love.
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Registered: June 02, 2004
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quote: Yeah... thats true, were all objectified in some kind of way
Thanks 
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Registered: April 10, 2005
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quote: Originally posted by freedomordeath: See, now that's just it. You're only thinking in terms of female objectification as well. Are men not objectified in pornography? Or are you only considering lesbian and male-female pornography? What about men's videos (for women) and gay pornography?
Yeah... thats true, were all objectified in some kind of way
I was gonna say something meaniful, I was gonna say something wise, I would have said something that meant something to me, but I lost my train of thought
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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well that's the thing porn stimulates people sexually so it feeds those urges and like any other addiction you want more and more. and what possible benefits could you reap by saying that you are addicted porn? as an actual addict I sure as hell don't see anything benefits or even help wise because of it.
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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Registered: June 14, 2004
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Well, I definitely don't think it's made up...completely. Meaning, just like with ADD, many people take advantage of it and claim to have it in order to reap the benefits while there are also many people who really do have the problem. Now, I have no clue as far as whether it is learned or genetic. Even if it is learned, I really don't think it has to do with the media or any kind of culture but more with what kind of lifestyle you lead. Meaning, if you were one to have a lot of sex in high-school, perhaps, when this is not carried over into adult life, you feel as if you are addicted because something you were used to having is gone. That's just the first example that came to my mind. But I've just always thought blaming things on the media is a total cop-out. Yes, they may have some influence, but the media is not solely responsible for anything. It seems a bit far-fetched to say that it is genetic - at least as far as porn is concerned. Porn is man-made and, while it incorporates internal desires, I don't think porn addiction could be genetic. Sex addiction I can see as having a more weighty argument simply because humans have had innate urges for sex forever. Sex is in our genetics, so to speak. But, even with sex, a genetic addiction seems far fetched to me. Like I said, though, I really can't make up my mind one way or the other.
Belief makes things real/Makes things feel, feel alright/Belief makes things true/Things like you, you and I
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Registered: March 08, 2004
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Everyone's objectified in pornography, and I don't have a problem with that.
People are complex beings: physical, intellectual, spiritual. Pornography is just isolating the physical component and admiring it. It's no more perverted than reading a thesis paper and only appreciating the writer for his/her mind.
If you can't admire a part of a person while realizing there's more to the person than you're admiring, there's probably something a little off with you to begin with. Especially if you start thinking of everyone of that gender as only having a body/mind/spirit. But honestly, I can't imagine anyone actually doing that, so I've come to believe "porn objectifies women" is just a cliche.
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Registered: June 02, 2004
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See, now that's just it. You're only thinking in terms of female objectification as well. Are men not objectified in pornography? Or are you only considering lesbian and male-female pornography? What about men's videos (for women) and gay pornography?
Live and Let Live. Love and Let Love.
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Registered: April 10, 2005
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I've heard of this condition before and more than likely this is linked to the high ammount of pornography in our society. Personally I hate porn, because it objectifys women as sex objects adn conditions us to think this way. But I don't like the idea of these bigoted religous "rehab" classes. Forcing the idea of abstinence until marrage just to make up for the media's conditioning.
I was gonna say something meaniful, I was gonna say something wise, I would have said something that meant something to me, but I lost my train of thought
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Registered: June 02, 2004
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NOISEboard of the day?! WOW! Awesome! Yogore, that's what I meant by the end part of my sentence... If people know you or you're willing to tell people everything about you (where you live, your full name, etc) then you shouldn't share EVERYTHING..
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Registered: September 30, 2005
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quote: There's a lifetime movie about porn addiction
i saw that movie yogore!!!!!!!!!!!! i dunno, i think maybe it can get that bad....but that movie is really um....strange...lol
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Registered: February 02, 2004
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quote: On YN (and probably most of cyberspace) you can be completely open about your personal life
Not if you know people on here. quote: Fina, is that really you?
That seems like something Fina would say. There's a lifetime movie about porn addiction and it seems blown way out of porportion. The kid would download porn videos on to his girlfriend's palm piliot at his swim team matches. "You learn about equality in the classroom but you find out about it in life" - Campus Confidential www.myspace.com/yogore
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Registered: March 27, 2006
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Aguagon completly agree with.
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Registered: June 02, 2004
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Fina, is that really you? Thanks for the post, by the way. I definitely agree with you about people blaming everything on the media.
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Registered: March 08, 2004
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I definitely do believe that porn can be psychologically addictive, because anything can be psychologically addictive. I don't know if porn addiction is caused so much by the media, genetic disposition, or just random chance, but I'm reluctant to blame it on the media. Cowards who refuse to take a good look at human nature have been blaming the media for anything and everything for way too long now.
I can't say for sure, but I suspect the problem of pornography "addiction" may be an overblown one. Remember, addiction only sets in when true dependence develops and you start rearranging your life to accomodate the thing you're addicted to. I'm a porn fiend myself--in fact, a quick count tells me I have no less than 339 pornographic video clips on my hard drive--but I'm not a porn addict, because I've never broken a social date to look at porn, never missed an appointment because of porn, and my grades have never slipped because of porn. Also, I don't start getting irritable when I haven't seen any porn in a few days.
I think we have to be on guard against those who are quick to use the label "pornography addict," because many of them are probably anti-porn to begin with. I wouldn't be at all surprised if groups like Focus on the Family and The 700 Club were willing to declare you a pornography addict for looking at it twice out of mere curiosity.
Sex, unfortunately, I know far less about.
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Registered: September 30, 2005
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kinda wish people in the "real world" were able to be more like that...but we really can't....
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Registered: October 30, 2005
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quote: funny huh?
Nope, just wonderful.
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace
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Registered: September 30, 2005
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funny huh?
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Registered: June 02, 2004
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On YN (and probably most of cyberspace) you can be completely open about your personal life, as long as the address, phone number, school and real name are left out...
Live and Let Live. Love and Let Love.
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Registered: September 30, 2005
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i love how honest we are on yn (thinkin about ampmaster) and our yn family still loves us to death *everyone who reads this mutters under breathe "fuck hurley. i dont love HER to death"*
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Registered: February 22, 2004
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right but is there a pornos anoymous? Sex isn't really the problem I haven't even had any (yeah I know a virign) but porn is I don't think SA could help me
"The very existence of flamethrowers proves that sometime, somewhere, someone said to themselves, "You know, I want to set those people over there on fire, but I'm just not close enough to get the job done"."
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