What are your thoughts about abortion? If you believe in it my question is: How is abortion any different then what Dr. Kovorkian (sp?) did? How come it is illegal to murder, yet it is perfectly legal to have an abortion? To me as soon as you have concieved a baby then that baby is a live person and you or anyone else should not be able to kill that live person. But overall who decides what is right and what is wrong? If I went out and mudered my neighbor it would be the exact same thing then if i had an abortion. and what are the reasons for having an abortion? usually because it was a mistake or because you were raped. If you don't want a child be more responsible and don't have sex at all. And if you were raped please put the child up for adoption. There are plenty of ppl in the world that would love to have a child and they can't.
I found this on the internet and it came to me that most people vote for abortion because they don't know the procedures so take a look!!
How is an abortion done?
We have to differentiate between surgical abortions and chemical abortions. Following is a description of some forms of surgical abortion.
During the first 3 months of pregnancy (the first trimester), suction abortion is used. It is sometimes called menstrual extraction. A suction machine is used to remove the developing baby from the uterus of the mother. D&E is another form of abortion whereby an abortionist dilates and cuts the baby up after crushing the head. The dead baby is removed piece by piece. A nurse reassembles the baby to make sure that all of it has been removed. There have been cases where a part has been left in the woman causing a life-threatening infection. This method is also used in the second trimester.
In the saline abortion, the abortionist removes some of the amniotic fluid from the placenta and replaces it with a saline solution that acts like an acid, burning the skin and mucous membrane throughout the baby's body. The mother delivers a dead baby referred to as "candy-apple-red" because of the absence of skin on the body.
During the last trimester the one most commonly used is the hysterotomy in which the abortionist performs a cesarean section, the baby is removed and left to die or is killed by the abortionist or someone on his staff.
A description of the “partial birth” abortion procedure also appears on their web site. (DERIGHTTOLIFE.COM). Incredibly, it’s more gruesome than what has already been described here. And keep in mind, that every one of these episodes of nazi style butchery is being performed on a totally innocent human being.
Even a guilty man, sentenced to death, would surely not be subject to these undeniably cruel and unusual methods of torture and death. No jurisdiction in the land would allow it.
I’m voting LIFE…even if I have to sleep in the street.
abortion is murder. I can sit here and argue with choicers for the rest of my life but there isnt any need to because i wont change anyones mind. Also..for those of you that think anti abortion people only argue on the "religious" side, your wrong. I am not really religious and i'm anti abortion. look into things before you speak.
i just find it really sad that the "positive" youth you are supposed to be have no respect for human life, no matter how young of a life it is, it is still a life.
Anshi, of course condoms, but now that Bush and his Cronies are pushing the Abstinence only training so the only option that Bush wants teenagers to see is having sex and not having sex; how realistic is that. It should be interesting what happens in a couple of years after the new form of Sex Ed comes into affect. Also on a side note, the only state that told Bush to shove it was California.
Oh god not the typical relation to the holocaust, you know how the saying goes; if you relate anything to Hitler or the Holocaust you automatically loose the argument.
Ok most wouldn't be the best word; a good amount would be a better word. Your situation regarding the women’s fallopian tube is not the only condition. Like I said before giving birth is still one of the most dangerous procedures still to this date, ask any doctor in the maternity ward. The problems can range from the women having heart problems or a woman with Diabetes, which everybody knows is very dangerous. Lets face the simple facts here folks anti-abortion is highly fueled by religion and saying that a fetus has a soul is NOT going to work in a court. A fetus is not a person.
I will quote Leonard Peikoff here "Thirty years after Roe V. Wade, no one defends the right to abortion in fundamental, moral terms, which is why the pro-abortion rights forces are on the defensive.
Abortion-rights advocates should not cede the terms "pro-life" and "right to life" to the anti-abortionists. It is a woman's right to her life that gives her the right to terminate her pregnancy.
Nor should abortion-rights advocates keep hiding behind the phrase "a woman's right to choose." Does she have the right to choose murder? That's what abortion would be, if the fetus were a person.
The status of the embryo in the first trimester is the basic issue that cannot be sidestepped. The embryo is clearly pre-human; only the mystical notions of religious dogma treat this clump of cells as constituting a person.
We must not confuse potentiality with actuality. An embryo is a potential human being. It can, granted the woman's choice, develop into an infant. But what it actually is during the first trimester is a mass of relatively undifferentiated cells that exist as a part of a woman's body. If we consider what it is rather than what it might become, we must acknowledge that the embryo under three months is something far more primitive than a frog or a fish. To compare it to an infant is ludicrous.
If we are to accept the equation of the potential with the actual and call the embryo an "unborn child," we could, with equal logic, call any adult an "undead corpse" and bury him alive or vivisect him for the instruction of medical students.
That tiny growth, that mass of protoplasm, exists as a part of a woman's body. It is not an independently existing, biologically formed organism, let alone a person. That which lives within the body of another can claim no right against its host. Rights belong only to individuals, not to collectives or to parts of an individual.
("Independent" does not mean self-supporting--a child who depends on its parents for food, shelter, and clothing, has rights because it is an actual, separate human being.)
"Rights," in Ayn Rand's words, "do not pertain to a potential, only to an actual being. A child cannot acquire any rights until it is born."
It is only on this base that we can support the woman's political right to do what she chooses in this issue. No other person--not even her husband--has the right to dictate what she may do with her own body. That is a fundamental principle of freedom.
There are many legitimate reasons why a rational woman might have an abortion--accidental pregnancy, rape, birth defects, danger to her health. The issue here is the proper role for government. If a pregnant woman acts wantonly or capriciously, then she should be condemned morally--but not treated as a murderer.
If someone capriciously puts to death his cat or dog, that can well be reprehensible, even immoral, but it is not the province of the state to interfere. The same is true of an abortion which puts to death a far less-developed growth in a woman's body.
If anti-abortionists object that an embryo has the genetic equipment of a human being, remember: so does every cell in the human body.
Abortions are private affairs and often involve painfully difficult decisions with life-long consequences. But, tragically, the lives of the parents are completely ignored by the anti-abortionists. Yet that is the essential issue. In any conflict it's the actual, living persons who count, not the mere potential of the embryo.
Being a parent is a profound responsibility--financial, psychological, moral--across decades. Raising a child demands time, effort, thought and money. It's a full-time job for the first three years, consuming thousands of hours after that--as caretaker, supervisor, educator and mentor. To a woman who does not want it, this is a death sentence.
The anti-abortionists' attitude, however, is: "The actual life of the parents be damned! Give up your life, liberty, property and the pursuit of your own happiness."
Sentencing a woman to sacrifice her life to an embryo is not upholding the "right-to-life."
The anti-abortionists' claim to being "pro-life" is a classic Big Lie. You cannot be in favor of life and yet demand the sacrifice of an actual, living individual to a clump of tissue.
Anti-abortionists are not lovers of life--lovers of tissue, maybe. But their stand marks them as haters of real human beings."
Like I said the only argument against Abortion is on RELIGIOUS grounds which does not belong in court.
quote:Also most of you think its irresponsible teenagers who are getting abortions, but in most cases the situation that led to women getting abortion is their own live is in jeopardy.
that would be a great argument if you knew what the hell you were talking about. i want to know where you got that information from, because it's a huge lie. only 1.5% of "abortions" come from women who's lives are in jeopardy. this happens when the fetus forms in the falopian (i know i butchered that spelling) tubes. both the mother and the child would die if the fetus wasn't removed, so of course the child will be disposed of.... but this is a complete different medical operation and isn't even considered an abortion.
also about your whole over crowded foster homes and whatnot... at least the child is alive. i don't know about you, but i would rather have lived as a jew in the holocaust then not have lived at all
You people are nuts if you think that adoption is a solution. I'll put this very simple, this country is overrun with parentless children in foster care programs, there is NOT enough people adopting to solve this problem, ask any social worker. Also just because there are people who want kids and kids and can't have them this some how justifies your reasoning behind being abortion. Also most of you think its irresponsible teenagers who are getting abortions, but in most cases the situation that led to women getting abortion is their own live is in jeopardy. Even in today’s society giving birth is still one of the most dangerous events in life. You may call it selfish, but I would love to see how your preaching holds up when you’re in that situation.
quote: what if a woman was raped? you think she should be forced to keep the baby? what if she can't take care of herself mentally nor physically for those nine months?
Nobody ever said that once she gave birth that she had to take care of the baby. You don't understand, there are anonymous programs that take care of the pregnant woman during her pregnancy and even after they set up job interviews and shelter for the woman. Adoption is also another option. People from all over the world wait on a "baby list" so to speak and they adopt the baby as soon as it is born. And if you tell me that adoption is too hard because it would be an emotional struggle for the mother to give up her baby that is a load of crap, so she kills it?? The mother can't take care of her baby so she kills it because she can't take the stress of someone else doing it?? If you tell me that that isn't a selfish reason for abortion than what is?? 8% of all abortions are done for the reasons of incest, rape, or the mother's life is in danger i repeat 8% do you want to know the other reasons?
Woman is concerned about how the baby could change her life 75%
Woman can't afford baby now 68%
woman has problems with relationship and wants to avoid single parenthood 51%
woman is unready for responsibility 31%
woman doesn't want others to know that she has had sex or is pregnant 31%
Woman is not mature enough or is too young to have a child 30%
Woman has all the children wanted or has all grown up children 26%
Husband or Partner wants woman to have abortion 23%
Fetus has possible health problem 7%
Woman has health problem 7%
Woman's parents want her to have an abortion 7%
Woman was victim of rape or incest 1%
Other 6 %
Now you tell me abortion is a selfless act of mercy.
"when a woman is pregnant the unborn fetus is still an appendage of her. in reality, the fetus does not have it's own mind, or soul until it's head is out on it's own. the woman has the right to disengage herself of that appendage."
it's illegal to do that actually... disengaging an appendage, you could go to jail for cutting off your arm or leg, but it's sad that you think of a CHILD as just an appendage, you should be greatful your parents didn't have the same outlook you do.
"what if a woman was raped? you think she should be forced to keep the baby?"
killing a child doesn't take away the fact that someone is raped. It is sad that people are raped, and that they will have to go on knowing that their entire lives, but it's also sad that someone will kill their unborn child and have to live with that forever as well.
"and on another note, i don't think bush should be going off trying to eliminate abortion. no man should try to have a say in a woman's decision. i think that woman can decide what she wants to do without anyone getting into her business."
i can't believe that you think a woman should be allowed to murder a child just because she is the one carrying the child and it is an inconvenience. does that mean if a woman is an inconvenience to her husband he should be able to put a bullet in her head?
approximately 93% of women that have abortions have more than one of them, which basically means that women need to learn how to keep their pants on.
mother terressa- "it is a poverty that a child must die, so that you may live as you wish"
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