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Registered: November 06, 2002
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Jookly---once again, let me say that there is absolutely no need for your antagonistic tone and attempted profanity! No need to overreact. As for your post...so lets say that the being inside the mother was "cute"...would it be wrong to abort it then? It does not matter what the being looks like...it is still human!

As far as the fact that abortions are not performed on fully developed children...this is incorrect. Though rare, some people choose to have abortions in the 2nd and even 3rd trimesters...these are called partial birth abortions. Basically, labor is induced and the baby (except for head) is delivered. A cut is made in the neck and the brain is sucked out. These are performed up to 8 months of pregnancy.

If you choose to respond to this post, please spare the profanity and adopt a more mature attitude.
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Registered: December 19, 2002
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HOW????? Are you telling me that a baby isn't forming a nervous system or a nervous system and that they don't have a heart beat??? You people should be shot i can't believe that you would throw around the idea of a baby in a mothers womb as "not living" if you are that naive then maybe your mother should have had an abortion!!!!


Listen here **** face. Are you somehow under the impression that people abort fully developed babies? An aborted fetus certainly isnt something you want to pinch on the cheek and say "oh what a cute baby". It isnt a baby yet and stopping it at the appropriate time saves many people pain and suffering. (as well as the aborted baby who doesnt feel or comprehend that they never lived).
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Registered: December 30, 2001
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HOW????? Are you telling me that a baby isn't forming a nervous system or a nervous system and that they don't have a heart beat??? You people should be shot i can't believe that you would throw around the idea of a baby in a mothers womb as "not living" if you are that naive then maybe your mother should have had an abortion!!!!


Do you realize what you're saying? Abortions are wrong, but someone should be killed for having a opinion that's different than yours?

My mother didn't want to have an abortion. That's why she shouldn't have had one. A parent that doesn't want a child won't be able to raise it right.

You can't say abortion is right or wrong, because there are a million cases. What about a girl who's raped? A woman who's married with a couple of kids, and gets pregnant, but finds out she's pregnant with triplets or more, and she just doesn't have enough money? A girl who's parents would kick her out if they found out she was pregnant? Incest? Someone who loses her job while pregnant? The baby will have a deadly disease? the mother could die while giving birth? Is abortion still wrong in all those cases? And who are you to decided, anyway? How many children did you have, exactly?
Registered: January 15, 2003
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Killing a person who is already living a life is completly different.


HOW????? Are you telling me that a baby isn't forming a nervous system or a nervous system and that they don't have a heart beat??? You people should be shot i can't believe that you would throw around the idea of a baby in a mothers womb as "not living" if you are that naive then maybe your mother should have had an abortion!!!!
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Registered: December 02, 2002
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heres my opinion: i am pro choice. this doesnt mean pro abortion, but i think every woman should have the right to choose. nobody will force you to get an abortion if you dont want to. and that bit about dr. cavorkian, i dont think he is wrong either. i'd write more but i g2g2 school. if you want my whole opinion check out my posts in "abortion" by gooberflinch.
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Registered: December 30, 2001
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according to these i could kill you and its perfectly legal. lucky for you thats not how we classify our rights. do you know how stupid these sound??? for real!


Killing a person who is already living a life is completly different.
Registered: January 15, 2003
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i don't agree about killing human beings, but a baby is a baby


wait a minute I thought babies were human beings too.......hmmm maybe i was wrong?? I don't think i am

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you're yound and u had sex with a guy and u got pregnat. If you decide to have a baby then it would change your life forever. Most probably you won't finish school and u would get a crappy job


that is life it's your responsibility no matter how old you are if you had sex that is your choice no matter what you chose to have sex (by the way, learn how to type)

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B. its none of your buisness
C. its a womans right
D. ITS NONE OF YOUR BUISNESS


according to these i could kill you and its perfectly legal. lucky for you thats not how we classify our rights. do you know how stupid these sound??? for real!

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If a woman is willing to put herself into that position than she should be willing to stand through until the end of her consequences. She should be willing to take on whatever responsiblities she gains as a result of her actions, even if that is an unplanned pregnancy.


amen to that
Registered: December 29, 2002
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Um.......I respect everyone's reasons for thinking abortion is right or for thinking it's wrong. But there's one thing that's begging me just a bit, I'm sorry but I have to say this because some people with their posts and all are making me feel bad Frown.
I don't like that most of the post I read said that if the baby is going to have mentally or physical condition that the mother should have an abortion

This is my reasons why:
1) I really do believe that kids with mental condition, do somehow, someway understand what is going on in the world and with them. It's just no one has really proved that, yet but that doesn't mean it can never happen. That kid who is going to be killed could be the person who proves it.
2) No one really is 100% sure that the baby will be mentally ill, the doctors just guess that from the picture they already see so the soon to be mother could be killing a perfectly fine baby without knowing it.
3) My mom's doctors said that I was going to be mentally ill because I was going to be born with a rare disease that would cause the child to be brain dead . They said that I could have a physical condition on top of the disease and on top of the mentally ill part. They said to get an abortion. Well, my mom and dad said "no" as you can see and now here I am. I have the rare disease + another illness, but I'm glad to say, I'm not mentally ill and I wasn't born deformed. Do you get what I'm saying here? I know you do.

I just wanted to say that because it really hurts that some of you would have killed me and others just like me. It hurts a lot and I want everyone to see that and know where I'm coming from, please
Well Thanks for reading Bye N Have a nice day Everyone Razz
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Registered: January 17, 2003
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I think everyone is entitle to their decison about abortion...as for me, i don't agree about killing human beings, but a baby is a baby....
you see not everyone is perfect..ppl make mistake...you're yound and u had sex with a guy and u got pregnat. If you decide to have a baby then it would change your life forever. Most probably you won't finish school and u would get a crappy job...which means a low income. So, the kid is probably go have a bad life and with many nesessties like the mother. So....i think it's better to have kids when u're ready and not young. Confused
Registered: January 23, 2003
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Ok. It is simple. If you think abortion is wrong, don't have one. If you don't think abortion is wrong, then feel free to have one. It's everyone's choice whether to have an abortion or not. That is another one of the good things about this country. If you are unable to have your baby due to whatever circumstances, you are free to choose how to handle the situation. There is no way that people will agree on this subject, so the only way to deal with it is to keep abortion available to those who need or want it.Otherwise, people will still have abortions, but illegally. It's not a question of who is right and who is wrong. I don't know of many people who would say that abortion is the perfect answer, or that it is the right thing to do. But, it should be up to the mother to decide what to do. If you personally do not agree with abortion, you should not shun those that do. I don't agree with a lot of things that people do, but it is their own choice whether they want to do those things or not.
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Registered: January 06, 2003
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i dont think abortion is murder, abortion is a personal choice. some accidents do happen, and who wants to give birth to their rapists child?? i know i wouldnt. almost all protections are not 100% certified that they will keep you from getting pregnant. getting an abortion is a woman personnal choice, which i am not against, not at all Mad
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Registered: October 05, 2002
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I am very ProLife. When a woman has sex she knows that there is a possiblity, even if she does use protection, that she may get pregnant. If a woman is willing to put herself into that position than she should be willing to stand through until the end of her consequences. She should be willing to take on whatever responsiblities she gains as a result of her actions, even if that is an unplanned pregnancy. As for me, I will not put myself in the position where I may have to take care of another human life until after I am married because I can hardly take care of myself.
Registered: September 10, 2002
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its right because
A. its not alive...total parasite (needs mother..aka, host)..no cognative thought...etc
B. its none of your buisness
C. its a womans right
D. ITS NONE OF YOUR BUISNESS Mad Roll Eyes
Registered: January 22, 2003
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I am against abortion for several reason.

First of all It's alive. It fits all the requirements for life. It is made of cells, it reproduces (as in new cells), responds to stimuli, etc. A sperm or an egg, that's potiential for a new life. And for those that don't think it's a living thing, when does that change? From experience I've found that if the women wants the kid its a baby, but if she doesn't it's a fetus. This is very dangerous logic. I've heard of extrimist groups that want to have a ceremony when a kid's about a month old to welcome it into the human race, and parents can "abort" this kid until such a ceremony. This is very extreme, but it's one of the implications. Besides most pro-choice people seem to be atheist. And Atheists tend to base 'morals' on science. This kid of logic sounds very unscientific to me.

Then there's the choice issue. But abortion isn't a choice. 80% of women who have abortions feel that they were FORCED to have one by a boy friend, family member, or friend that says they will leave or disown them, or convince them that they can't have the child even though they still want it. Crisis pregnacy centers have found that 95% of women who want an abortion change their mind when they see the ultrasound, which is why planed parenthood doesn't allow women to see their ultrasound. Then there's the "pre-abortion counsling" where women are only told the pro-choice side of the argument.

And besides all this today we have a little thing called birth control. Why go though the agony of an abortion when you can prevent the issue altogether. If your going to have sex and don't want a kid, use birthcontrol. For Catholics who aren't supposed to use birth control, if you can't use it, what makes you think the church is going to support abortion?

For those that think abortion should only be used when the child is going to born handicaped, don't you think that's discrimination? And it devalues those that are handicaped, but not born that way. And yes the handicap is going to affect their life, but that doesn't mean it has to control their life. I know people that have CF and have the most fulfilling life of anyone else I know. Life's not only about the downs.

These are just some of my thoughts
Registered: October 18, 2001
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If everyone on earth had an abortion, it would kill the human race entirely. It's the lowest you can go.

Some extremists are murdering abortionists and bombing their clinics, and although I don't agree with murder for any reason, you can't argue that it's much different than the death penalty. Better to kill one person than allow them to abort dozens of babies.

You can't use any excuse to hide behind aborting babies, because in the end, it's all our of selfishness.
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Registered: September 13, 2002
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okay... Thought I'd put in my thoughts for what they're worth. In my opinion...unless any of you have ever been a mother/father or have been faced with the decision none of you should be discussing it. It's up to the mother and father to decide what is right for them at that time. No government or religious agency should be allowed to get involved.

As for the whole "put the baby up for adoption" thing... I think that's meaner than aborting the baby. Seriously... have you ever talked to someone who finds out they're adopted? It's tragic... Not to mention all the cases of poor foster care or abusive foster parents. No kid should have to deal with that.

Not to mention, think what would happen if abortions were made illegal. Look at countries where such a law is in place. Children are abandoned, orphanages are overcrowded, and women are dying from trying to receive illegal abortions. At least if it's kept legal the government can monitor it.

Well...that's all I got... Do what you want with it.
Registered: January 15, 2003
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How can you say that it is not a life??? My aunt was unable to have children for fifteen years and she wanted to have a child so bad. During the fifteen years a couple had two children one which was blind and another little girl they jumped at the chance to adopt these children. Their parents were very young and not yet in the stage to raise children. They were responsible. You are probably more blind than my cousin. Have you ever held a new born child? Have you ever been to the new Born ICU? the next time you go to the doctors ask him how early the baby begins to form because their cells are forming so rapidly that they soon have a heart and other organs and they are living beings. if a 14 year old is not ready to have a baby then maybe she shouldn't be having sex.

There is absolutely no reason under any circumstance that doctors should be allowed to kill a baby.

an embryo is more than a potential life it is a life i guess some of us kill easier than others.
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Registered: December 19, 2002
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However, in other such circumstances, such as the baby being the result of poor planning, people should accept responsibility for their actions, no matter what age they are


I disagree, why would it be more responsible to have a child you cant take care of?
I can see why people would be against abortions later on in pregnancy but not at the embryo stage.
I mean ****, it is not a person. And for those of you who say it is a person..... HOW?!?!

I would be willing to call an embryo potential life but not if it is aborted.
Cant you see!? Abortion is stopping the life from happening not killing something already alive.

I think it would be much better for a 14 year old to have an abortion rather than a baby in ANY circumstances
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Registered: October 15, 2002
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Being the 30th anniversary of the Roe vs. Wade historic decision, I couldn't pass this up. I have mixed feelings on the issue. I believe that in certain circumstances, abortion should be legal. One of these circumstances would be if the embryo threatened the life of the mother, or the embryo was dead already (my photography teacher just had a miscarriage). However, in other such circumstances, such as the baby being the result of poor planning, people should accept responsibility for their actions, no matter what age they are.
Roe vs. Wade -- A short article
Registered: January 15, 2003
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Brooke, how can you say that assisted suicide and murder are not the same thing? It is still murder. If i wanted to kill myself it would be murder, so if someone helps me do that then they are murderING someone how can you say that they are two different things??
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