i was just wondering your views on graffiti as it seems to be a growing fixation of young teens everywhere. Just look around the city any given day and notice how much there is. Many kids seem to do it to in a way rebel agaainst society or authority in a non violent way but others just see it as plain vandamlism. Personally, i would rather see a teenager with a can of paint in his hand oppose to smoking pot or doing other bad drugs..in a way its an alternative.

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Around where i live a famous Graffti artist, Bansky has down loads of stuff, its stencil graffti and all political, i love looking out around for new stuff.

LOVE that guy...I have a book with a ton of his work in it.

DrS,
I understand where you are coming from, but graffiti is still art. Art is something creative, not necessarily something legal and socially acceptable. Spraypainting abandoned buildings or blank, drab walls with intricate stencils, lettering, and other images isn't so much an act of vandalism as an act of reclaiming something ugly. You cannot compair painting public land to painting the inside of someone's house, as no one lives in the brick walls, banks, and old freight trains.

Yes. I understand that not all graffiti is cool. Tagging is pretty crappy. However, if you appreciate art, I find it difficult to see why you wouldn't appreciate the sheer artistic skill in many graffiti artists.

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because theres nothing more satisfying then seeing yourself up...

Man it must be easy putting in lightbulbs at your house.

Just hold the bulb and the world revolves around you...

I'm sorry I'm just in a really bad mood and your reasoning sounds a bit childish right now.

there is no ethical reasoing against commiting a crime..i am just trying to share my views...and ur agruments consisit of insults very mature..it has nothing to do wtih being self centered and more as feeling you have acomplisehd anything..once again i dont htink you will ever understand so i will stop

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because theres nothing more satisfying then seeing yourself up...

Man it must be easy putting in lightbulbs at your house.

Just hold the bulb and the world revolves around you...

I'm sorry I'm just in a really bad mood and your reasoning sounds a bit childish right now.

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no, its my way being a rich white kid to in a way rebel agasint society and display artistic skill at the same time. also it keeeps me away from drugs cause the rush i get from it is enough of a drug for me...

So, again, you like it because it's a crime?

Well, guess what, punching you in the face and stealing your wallet is a crime too. But I'd get a rush out of it, and be making a statement in the process. You'll have no right to complain about it if I ever catch anyone like you on the streets defacing property because they're an angsty yuppie kid who doesn't appriciate the advantages they have.

NOW GET THE HELL OFF MY LAWN!

ahah i apreciate your humor..but once again you miss the point..ITS NOT ABOUT VIOLENCE..so dont even try to compare a violent crime to writing ur name on a wall. I am always reminded when talking to actually criminals who find it crazy that we climb or break into places, dont steal anything, and leace our name in big letters. honestly i dont expect you to understand so i guess i shouldnt explain and go ahead and kick my ass if you catch me...in response to another thing u said i also do it because theres nothing more satisfying then seeing yourself up...btw i have really never done graffit on private property

I like graffiti, when it's done for a purpose and isn't just someone's name or something obscene. Having permission helps too, naturally.

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no, its my way being a rich white kid to in a way rebel agasint society and display artistic skill at the same time. also it keeeps me away from drugs cause the rush i get from it is enough of a drug for me...

So, again, you like it because it's a crime?

Well, guess what, punching you in the face and stealing your wallet is a crime too. But I'd get a rush out of it, and be making a statement in the process. You'll have no right to complain about it if I ever catch anyone like you on the streets defacing property because they're an angsty yuppie kid who doesn't appriciate the advantages they have.

NOW GET THE HELL OFF MY LAWN!

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So what you like about it is that it's a crime?

no, its my way being a rich white kid to in a way rebel agasint society and display artistic skill at the same time. also it keeeps me away from drugs cause the rush i get from it is enough of a drug for me...

So what you like about it is that it's a crime?

ok..i just want to make this clear...if it was it wad done wiht permission it wouldnt be graffiti...yes there is graffiti as a style of art and then theres graffiti on the streets a completly different thing. And its not only about the art, its also about the rush of being caught, finding a really good spot, and just the overall feeling of seeing your name
anonymously around the city. but i agree some is complete crap...but once again i want to stress that most graffiti is on public property and almost never on cars besides beat up white trucks..its kind of an unwritten law..

I agree with the Doctor. Yes, some graffiti is well-done. The fact remains, however, that it should be done either with permission or on one's own property.

Around where i live a famous Graffti artist, Bansky has down loads of stuff, its stencil graffti and all political, i love looking out around for new stuff. its made people start talking about the issues (even if its started by slaging off him "vandalisum' of a brick wall"!)I think Graffti can look good if its done well and in the right place,its an art and not just useless vandalisum. Graffti makes a statement unlike most modom art these days. Tags look rubbish but Graffiti that makes a statement and looks good is worth having around

Skillfull vandalism is still vandalism. If you're going to develop this great skill and paint something wonderful, why not get the permission of the property owner and paint something that fits in with the architecture?

You have a skill for painting, go paint murals. Make a job out of it. Don't waste your time screwing up peoples's property and vehicles.

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The key difference between grafitti and art is that you're defacing someone's private (or public) property without thier permission. It's total crap. You want someone coming into your house and spraying paint all over the walls with no consent on your part?

Funny how you don't see grafitti in neighborhoods where people are actually proud of the places they live in. It's not "art" any more than creative arson.

if u notice graffit really isnt on most people houses...ok i will admit some graffit is total crap but some is also amazing and callin it arson would be a crime, i think you underestmiate the skill it takes

The key difference between grafitti and art is that you're defacing someone's private (or public) property without thier permission. It's total crap. You want someone coming into your house and spraying paint all over the walls with no consent on your part?

Funny how you don't see grafitti in neighborhoods where people are actually proud of the places they live in. It's not "art" any more than creative arson.

Oh, and art isn't a substitute for drugs...especially if you huff the paint.

What everyone needs is a nice caffiene addiction to stay occupied without dying, and some vandalism on the side.

I've haven't done any renegade artwork in awhile...I need to start up with that again.

I tend to like graffiti, if it's decent. Since Philly has a good solid radical community, I see a lot of poltical stencils, stickers, etcetera. I myself have only spraypainted a few times...I enjoy "righteous vandalism", but it can be nervewracking if you aren't used to it. I try to stick to stickers and flypasting.

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like graffiti as an alternative to drugs or getting into violence and trouble.

That would be great if it wasn't illegal. You'll get into trouble if you spray paint something, right? How about everyone comes on YN to stay out of trouble?

hmm drug deals? what are you talking about. and graffiti is not about being funny, i mean sometime humor can be added. i actually cant tell if your joking or not when talking bout writing algebraic questions. By the way most people would consider graffiti as illegal, so painting ur own room is not really graffiti. ok but i wanted to focus more on...like graffiti as an alternative to drugs or getting into violence and trouble.

I personally love grafitti, but then again, I love a lot of wierd stuff. The down side to it, is it can be used by gangs (if I'm correct) to mark territory, and wannabe high school gang members, which can lead to unwanted violence. I also think it depends on where the grafitti is. I don't mind if its on the old train trestle by McDonald's or the run-down mill by the old train yard, but if its on something that the holder of the can is aware someone worked very hard on, its another thing. Like when the town turtles in Sandy Springs, Atlanta, Georgia were graffitied (sp?) after countless artists spent hours and weeks painting them, that is wrong. I would never Grafitti, unless it was my own room.