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Just to let you know: unborn babies can feel pain 13 weeks after conception, as well as move and make a fist.

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Just to let you know: 88% of abortions take place 8-12 weeks into the pregnancy.

my grandmother recently died from ALS. for a bit of background info, ALS is a fatal neuro-muscular disease that as soon as symtpoms are shown, rapidly progresses until the person with the disease dies (deaths are usually caused by suffocation because the lungs collapse from weakness). once my grandmother was diagnosed with this disease, it was within less than a year that her body completely gave out on her.

ALS is just one of hundreds of diseases where the cure may very possibly be found in stem cells. the fact is that without this research, we may never know of these cures.

also, many of the embryos used in stem cell research come from surplus embryos produced by in vitro fertilization, not abortion. this means that the embryos would not survive anyway because they would never have the opportunity to develope into a fetus.

Santa, you rock

Silly Allah, you could not be more misinformed. Abortion is good for society. Every time an unborn baby is aborted, a homeless person gets to eat. Every time an unborn baby gets murdered, a foreigner living a downtrodden life gets a suburban home in the U.S. Every time an unborn baby gets murdered, an impotent man achieves and sustains an errection. Do not question these facts; doing so will only constitute ignorance on your part.

Seriously, though, murdering babies is the closest we'll ever come to a socially acceptable genocide, and that's just what the world needs right now. No other large group of people will ever be socially acceptable to kill.

u r so rong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! abortion shud b illegal 100%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n stem cells shud b aginst tha law!!!!!!!!!!!!! it s killin inosent babies!!!!!!!!!!!!
stop tha baby killers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i luv christ

Liberalchic
I know you're an athiest so I don't normally go into religion with you,but you can't say "if God has a plan ..then maybe the plan is to have an abortion"because you're just picking and choosing the parts of religion you can use to argue and ignoring the rest>So if you're going to use Christianity or Islam or Judaism you can't use this arguement because it's expressly forbidden to abort-this would be the person's disobedience to God,see??Aside from religion now,it doesn't matter if the kid invents a cure for cancer or not(That's just hypothetical,that they may do something good);the important thing is that they're human,as you yourself said,and if we're just going to base our arguement on our opinions and go round in circles,then as I said before,being human,they shouldn't have to lose their life even to save another(I mean,if you look at it like that,maybe they should have a chance to live while the patients already had this experience of life!).Besides,I'm sure they can find ways to extract stem cells from live babies (if some are expendible)and clone them or something and still save their patients.

Yeah yeah yeah, god created the child, blah blah blah. Well if he has his special plan for you, maybe part of it is to have an abortion. And when you guys say that the child might have invented a cure for a disease it doesn't make sense because with enough research (by the way, when did Bush say that he would allow research, he allowed reasearch on very few subjects, at this rate we will never finish that reaserch!) every aborted child will cure cancer. I am not saying we should conceive children just to kill them, but I think that we shouldn't bringun-wanted kids into the world if they could save a life that already exsists

LOVED the post ,Questie 7.Good for you!!!!

Just to let you know: unborn babies can feel pain 13 weeks after conception, as well as move and make a fist. From day one, the egg contains the plans for every detail of human development (sex, hair color, eye color, height...) By week four the heart is formed and beating. By week five the baby's arms, legs and eyes can be seen. By week six the first brain waves can be detected. At week nine of the pregnancy (a little more than 2 months after conception!!) the baby's body is nearly complete, and the internal organs are all present and functioning. In month five, the baby can respond to a loud noise, and in month six the baby could survive if it were born and given special care. Life begins at conception, not at birth. When a mother aborts, she is not only KILLING something God formed so intricately within her but she will also be scarred with that decision for the rest of her life.

PS. 139:&14 "For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well. My frame was not hidden from you when I was made in the secret place. When I was woven together in the depths of the earth, your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in your book before one of them came to be."

God created each and every baby, each and every one of us with a special plan in mind for his or her life. He put time and effort into each one of them, and HE CREATED THEM IN HIS IMAGE.

OK, now let's see what you've learned, shall we?
Decide if you were the mother of these if you would abort or keep the child. (answers at end)
1. A preacher and his wife are very, very poor. They already have 14 kids and #15 is on the way. Considering their poverty and life situation, would you abort?
2. The father is very sick, the mother has TB. They already have had 4 children: #1 blind, #2 dead #3 deaf #4 has TB. The mom finds out she's pregnant again. Would you abort?
3. A white man raped a 13-year old black girl, resulting in a pregnancy. Would you abort?
4. A teenage girl is pregnant. She's not married. Her fiance is not the father of the baby and he's very upset. Would you consider abortion?

1. if you said yes you just killed John Wesley (one of the greatest evangelists in the 19th century)
2. if you said yes you just killed Beethoven
3. if you said yes you just killed Ethel Waters, a great black gospel singer
4. if you said yes you have just killed Jesus Christ.

(Source "Wonderfully Made: a five day devotional celebrating the gift of life" published by Life on the Edge/Focus on the Family)

I don't see why anyone would abort a healthy baby. Even if you don't want to raise your child, you don't have to kill it! There's plenty of people who can't have children who would love to adopt it.

Abortion is OK under a few circumstances:
1) Baby would be extremley sick, diseased beyond help, doomed to live a miserable life.
2) It is in a country where very few people can healthily raise a child

As for cloning:
It could be used for some good. Perfect livestock to an extent, except people can't just 'stop', they need to keep pushing for the best. And that would prolly result in a genetic outbreak of disease or cancer causing problems.

Cloning humans is a definate NO. Dictators could theoreticly clone themselves, replace their organs with their clone- their perfect match, and live forever. I mean, get real, cloning people is gonna fall into the wrong hands sooner or later.

babies can't feel anything dumba.ss they couldn't care less about if they're cut out because they can't think either.

it is our duty to use the tools we have. if we have the ability to save lives we should use it. it is innhumain to bring a creature into a world of pain and suffering when it could have been avoided.

i hope to be a gene therapist "when I grow up". it is important to me to hear your opinions on issues like this (because you will be the people coming to me(or not comming to me)for this service)so I appreciate you guys posting.

-phoebe

Abortion is absolutely wrong!I don't think it's the mother's choice because the life growing within her is a separate entity,and not her property,and if she kills it a few weeks after conception is no better than strangling the poor kid once it's born.

And even if she's poor,young ,in difficult circumstances,it's still her responsibility!If she had sex,she should pay for the consequence now the need has arose,no matter what her circumstances.It's not the baby's fault and it's fully dependent on Mommy Dearest for its well-being:murdering it is the worst kind of betrayal.If she was raped,i fully sympathise
with her suffering,but it's still her responsibility-sometimes you have to be strong.I mean,if say,her mother got terminally ill and could only suffer before dying,and make daughter's life difficult,does this give anyone the right to take a knife to her throat?God throws hurdles in our way,better to conquer them than take the easy way out.

As for being born wth HIV,I don't think anyone has the right to end another's life on account of "mercy"-or would it be ok to wipe out the starving countries in Africa because of their suffering?(a much more prolonged suffering?)Also,some kids are born with seemingly impossible defects-or acquire them,and surpass them anyway-think Helen Keller.Or maybe they'll just bring so much joy to the family-or just mother,that it's simply a blessing to have had them,even for a little while.

And some abortions are done in the 6th month,I think:my friend was born after 6 months,with absolutely no health problems!It doen't matter if the child will end up finding a cure for cancer,that doesn't influence their worth as ahuman being.And bad influences can be neutralised by good parenting;some of the best people arise under the worst circumstances..

Also,I believe that this life is just a test by God and the whole point of it is first to do well enough to enjoy the eternal life,and THEN try to do the best with what you have-or can get by honest means;but not the other way round,there's more to life than simply enjoying it,though if you can do that as well,good for you.

Stem cells:well,much as I'd like ill people to get better,I think it may create even more excuses for abortion(oh,so what if a finished a few grams of flesh off,I saved someone's life with the insignificant creature).I think,intead of animal part,more money should be going into promoting organ donation-that way,more help for those who need them,and they'd be using human parts(which would probably have fewer rates of rejection)
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First of it is cruel to bring a little baby born with HIV into this world. That baby will only live maybe a week. Secondly as an American I think that it is important to maintain the Bill of Rights. This includes the right to make your own choice. If we let the government decide for us that, in my opionion, is another step towards communism. To the person who was talking about a woman with HIV being pregnant, maybe instead of that baby being born and dieing, maybe it was meant to save a life by being donated to science to find a cure for HIV. The fetus is refered to as a fetus until it is born and then the same baby won't have any memories until it is around 3 or 4 years old. So I don't see it has killing a life, a see it as stoping a life from forming

hey casca or whatever your name is, chill out. No one's gonna respect your opinions unless you try to stay calm. (i know it's hard if you feel that strongly cause i get hiped over things i feel strongly bout to)I totally agree with you by the way. No one should use it as a form of birth control but there are few exceptions that i believe should be taken into concideration, like the ones you've mentioned. The problem is that it's not that simple. It has to be black and white otherwise people abuse the system. At least that's what i think would happen. I feel the same way bout capital punishment. But anyways, i'm glad you feel the same way i do bout abortion. I totally don't take it lightly but i believe there are some exceptions.

whoever thinks that ppl have the right to decide, decide about what??? killing a baby BECUASE THEY ARE TOO ****ING YOUNG WELL THINK OF THAT BEFORE YOU OPEN YOUR LEGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ahh this makes me soo **** mad bucase soo many ****ed ppl geta abortions for STUPID REASONS, only these 3 are understandable
MOST IMPORTANLY
1 MOTHER'S LIFE IS IN DANGFER
2. MAYBE INCEST
3 MAYBE RAPE
BUT NO OTEHR ****INGH REASON!!! dont USE IT AS A **** BIRTHCONTROL

stem cell hmm tough one for many, but well think about this, does thaty cell feel life? does it have a soul? does it have momories? does it have a family? does it feel pain or love??? does it know what the hell is going on here???????

I've never been through something as horrible as a rape, you're right, but no matter what God will put me through, I am firm in my belief that I will never willingly and knowlngly take the life of another person, and the concept that other people will do that is what is really horrible and disgusting to me.

how can you say such a horrible thing? I would never, ever have a abortion if you asked me right now, but i have never been put in that position and i should hope i never am. When i am ready i will have sex and deal with whatever the consequences may be, but how can anyone say point blank it's wrong for someone who was raped to have one. Ít's her own body and her decision, she went through a horrible ordeal(sp?) and here she has to have a living reminder of that horrible event. How cruel, and for what? When ppl say things like that i get mad, because they splurt out ignorant things when they've never even been in a situation close to it. I am against abortion for girls/women unless the fetus is extremely extremely disabled or if the mother was raped. Stem cell research should only be done to a fetus through abortion, i have heard they're actually making cells for that purpose only, which i think is wrong
robyn

yes you are right...that is very true...like i said..i would never myself even concider having an abortion... but i still think that its the womans choice... i know someone who had one... and as much as i didnt want her to, and explained the option of adoption, she still felt it was best to do it... so she did.. and even though i didnt agree with her decision one bit, i still had to be there for her, and show that i loved her.. i just think that we do still live in america, where we are free to make our own choices... and i dont think anyone should be denyed the power to do what is best for them.. weather i agree with them or not.. its not my place, or anyone else's to tell them if they have to have the baby or not..

Listen guys, I felt the same way about some of you pro-choicers about abortion at first, but I've changed my mind. Firstly, it really sucks if you've been raped, but life is full of bad things that you cannot control, and you have to deal with whatever and has been dealt to you. God works in mysterious ways, (if you believe in God). But I do anyway. Also, it is unfortunate if you were raped and you didn't ask to go through a pregnancy, but the unborn baby inside of you didn't ask for it either, and when you choose to abort it, it's for your own selfish reasons. Also, I feel that if an HIV positive woman is pregnant, God granted that baby to her for a reason, and for however short and painful that child's life will be, it was meant to be, and deserves a chance, to grace the world with its presence for no matter how short a time. Perhaps that child was sent to earth for just one thing, maybe even to save someone's life before they die. That is why I think there should not be a choice.