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Picture of Crys769
Registered: February 20, 2003
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Hate..Fear...Rejection... Thats how homosexuals feel when downgraded for WHO they are. When I think of hate crimes against homosexuals I think of Matthew Shepard..a young man mudered for WHO he was.I think of Bill Clayton, age 17, murdered by society.
What is happening to this world? Whats happening to society? For all you who think homosexuality is wrong...WHY?!! do u want to be ridiculed and hurt because of WHO u are? because of your eye color ur hair color the shape of ur nose??? Thats EXACTLY whats happening when someone hurts or disses(sorry for the slang) a homosexual. Homosexuals are who they are and no one can change that. But can people accept that? Can this world come together and praise them for being true to themselves?
Discrimination from the work force..military..school...society. Why must this go on? Every day someone is hurt because of who they are. THIS CAN BE STOPPED! The Bible does not cleary state it is wrong. READ IT! i would reccommend The Teen Study Bible along with the Bible. It brings everything into perspective of today's society.
In 2000 in reported hate crimes, crimes against gays was ranked 3rd, with 1,299 incidents! 1,486 offences...1,558 victims, 1443 known offenders.....Why must this hate go on...
End the silence..Stop the hate....
To get involved visit www.hrc.org or www.advocatesforyouth.org and lets live on for those who are gone.

WILL YOU STOP THE HATE?
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Registered: December 30, 2001
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The whole book of Exodus is about how the Hebrews escaped from slavery.


Escaped slavery from the Egyptions and went on to Israel were they could get their own slaves.
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Registered: March 30, 2003
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gemini~
tell me where it says that salvery is okay... I want to look at that...
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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prettyinpunk, the Bible outlines that slavery is okay. Try reading over it a few more times so it can sink in...
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Registered: March 30, 2003
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you people don't understand that the Bible isn't at all like that! And am I just supposed to white-out the parts about homosexuality and stuff? The Bible has recors of times when there was slavery, it does not say that slavery is good! The whole book of Exodus is about how the Hebrews escaped from slavery.
If you don't know anything about the Bible, please don't pretend that you do, because Christians can tell that you don't. Razz
Registered: October 11, 2001
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If people live by the same morals the Bible tells about, then they are living like people did thousands of years ago only with modern amenities. To quote Bob Dylan: "The times they are a changing." The Bible is not all outdated but a lot of it is. Your morals need to change with the times. The only way to "live a loving life in Christ" is to love and accept all people regardless of what some book tells you that was written by sexist, racist, predujiced men.
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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Christians don't want to live their lives as if they were living thousands of years ago


So slavery is okay, and you can't walk to the alter of god if you have bad eyesight, and males can't be near menstruating women in this time period? Just curious, seeing how your bible teaches that.
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Christians don't want to live their lives as if they were living thousands of years ago, they try to live by the moral standards that the Bible tells about. Christians want to live a loving life in Christ.
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Registered: December 30, 2001
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Exactly. I mean, in the bible, people lived in tents and became slaves if they couldn't pay their depts. You want to live acourding to that?
Registered: October 11, 2001
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Actually bethers, I think that anyone who has morals and intelligence would realize that the Bible was written 2000 years ago. Many things that the Bible has spoken against are outdated. The men that wrote the Bible were also sexist and racist but hopefully you do not agree with their viewpoints in those areas. The Bible has some good lessons in it, whether or not you are religious, and Jesus can be a good role model for some people. But times have changed and I wish that ideas would also. There are many accepted acts of Biblical times that today are atrocities including the condemnation of homosexuals. So please read the Bible, learn from it, but recognize its limitations.
Registered: February 15, 2003
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I think that anyone with morals and who believe in the jesus should have grown up knowing that these people are creating a sin. In the bible jesus made adam and eve, not adam and steve. I feel terrible for younger kids that are exposed to this issue, this shouldn't even be and issue. Christina Aguilara is a bad influence just like another band that had a music video with the two making out, disgusting!
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Registered: March 11, 2002
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My bad!
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Registered: August 17, 2001
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We have already come to the conclusion that just because something is sinful, detestable or unnatural does not mean it's wrong.


That's not contradictory, it's simply ignorance.
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Registered: March 11, 2002
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First off, I'd like to again point out that there are many versions of the Bible, so it creates problems when directly arguing points (**Well, my Bible says this...blah blah....but my Bible says this blah blah**) That being said....



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The Bible DOES say that homosexuality is wrong. I happen to have the Teen Study Bible... the bible CLEARLY says that it is sinful, detestable and unnatural


You just contridicted yourself, I'm surprised no one else caught it. We have already come to the conclusion that just because something is sinful, detestable or unnatural does not mean it's wrong. If this were true, you'd have big problems with sex, menstration, and polyester, among many other common things.

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it just seems unnatural, i mean, 2 guys or 2 girls, it just seems gross


Perhaps by unnatural, you mean foreign? That's not unlikely. However, unnatural means not occuring naturally or in nature, and I think it's rather obviously that homosexuality is not come by under any "unnatural" circumstances. Now, to say it is foreign, meaning a concept incomprehendable or unknown to you, that would make sense. And as Fetch said, being gross is just a matter of opinion, I too find lettuce gross, and mushrooms even more so. All this means is that I don't eat them, but do not make fun of those who do.
Registered: December 29, 2002
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Oh I know you were just saying that.

I wasn't trying to be mean or anything like that, I was just saying but I am sorry

Bye N Have a nice day
Registered: March 20, 2003
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I understand what you're saying about not everyone believing in the Bible. That's not new information to me. I really wasn't looking to prove anything by posting the verses. There had been a discussion earlier about whether or not the Bible says that homosexuality is wrong. That was all that I was trying to clear up.

And to Songbird3000...thanks!!
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Registered: May 18, 2002
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So you won't win nor won't you lose, it's just going to be an endless battle. The only way I believe to end this battle is to actually find REAL PROOF( I say real proof meaning that everyone agrees and relates to it, it's understandable. That's what I mean. I'm not saying I don't think the Bible is real nor did I say I think it's false. I'm just saying something that everyone could believe in.)
When you find that.........maybe we could get somewhere but if we keep repeating the same agruements over and over again, some people might blow up and it won't be pretty.


Uh. I agree.

This has been debated a hundred million times and ya know what? The situation is not going to change. If you don't like gay people, well that's tough because they aren't just going to stop existing.

Bex Big Grin
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Registered: December 30, 2001
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it just seems gross to me.


Y'know, lettace seems gross to me. so I don't eat it. My friend's boyfriend seems gross to me, so I don't date him/think about him. Don't like members of your own sex? Fine. But who are you to judge who other people are attracted to or in love with?
Registered: December 29, 2002
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Okay, I see that it say in the Bible Homosexuality is wrong.

But do you know: That not EVERYONE believes in the Bible?

So why are you going to throw proof that someone doesn't believe in, in their face, like that will convice them that Homosexuality is wrong?

Why are you going to throw proof that may not be proof at all to some people?

Here comes my idea: Why don't you guys find some kind of proof that homosexuality is wrong that EVERYONE could agree with, that everyone could relate with.

Now when you find that kind of proof, you come to me and prove me wrong and make me feel like the fool, make me see that Homosexuality is wrong. But, for now, the Bible is no proof to me and for many MANY other too.

So you won't win nor won't you lose, it's just going to be an endless battle. The only way I believe to end this battle is to actually find REAL PROOF( I say real proof meaning that everyone agrees and relates to it, it's understandable. That's what I mean. I'm not saying I don't think the Bible is real nor did I say I think it's false. I'm just saying something that everyone could believe in.)

When you find that.........maybe we could get somewhere but if we keep repeating the same agruements over and over again, some people might blow up and it won't be pretty.

That's just my idea sorry for butting into this conversation.

Bye N Have a nice day

PS. Oh Yea I don't think homosexuality is wrong but I'm not here to convice others to think the same as I. They have their rights. BUT if you dear touch one living soul that is a homosexual then you will be in trouble NOT by me but by God.

Yea, it say that too in the Bible..........But I think you know that already.
Registered: December 21, 2002
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Recently at school we have been having problems with people who are less than open with the whole "gay" thing. It has gotten so bad that my girlfriend broke up with me because she was being threatened. I don't think that it is fair to make someone feel like less of a person because they are different. People are getting hurt enough as it is without all the extra added ignorance. I feel that since we are all human that it is time to start the loving and not the hating. Frown
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