I get your point, but if the baby gets a good home, then why would it kill? I believe God watches over them, and has a plan for them. If they go astray it is because they aren't following God. (No I won't preach a sermon, but for anyone who wants one, let me know! HA HA! )

A plan? A baby grows up raised by his/her legal gaurdians, through the lessons and morals they install in the child they child learns and does amazing stuff. It is the person that does it, and gets the credit for it, it would be a persons actions controlled by his or herself that makes discoveries happen. When they do something or find something it isn't pure luck, it is determination and life long work that help them find or discover something. How could everything be a plan when there are robberies, murders, and acts of hatred and discrimination everyday. Are those supposed to happen to, is a baby's plan to kill people and live a life of criminal acts? It is the envionment, the support and love from the people they are surrounded by that makes a baby a good person or student. Determination comes from inside of you and helps you make discoveries and choices for yourself.

SORRY! Creeker, I just read about your miscarriage. I am so sorry! But at least you know your baby is in Heaven. I hope you and your boyfriend have a happy life, and may one day God bless you with another baby.

Creeker, I am glad that you had sense enough to care for your baby, I know some that kill babies they don't want. I have a friend who lost her virginity to a 54 year old man. She has had 4 abortions. I give you and your baby and boyfriend support, and you did the right thing.

I understand, but what if that baby had a plan, and was supposed to do something great? Why punish the baby for a mistake the parents made?

The baby has a right to life? They can't even think or really feel. If you take a baby out of a woman, it won't care, it won't even know what's going on.

to joyfl: you said, "does anyone have the right to make any one else's decision." no which is exactly why abortion is wrong, a pregnant woman does not have the right to make a decision for a baby's right to life. ABORTION IS MURDER Should there ever be a choice?

Being pregnant isn't all that bad. Yes the first things that run through your head is "Who is going to be there?" "Will anyone help me?" But once you have opened up about these things when you are pregnant it helps and you find that you will have more people to support you then you had originally thought. I was pregnant as you may have read in a few of my other replys in these message boards but I was proud. I told my Mom and my Boyfriend and we were all happy. I finally told my friends AFTER I told my Mom because I was afraid that they would be mad at me, worse then my Mom ever would be. But then Tyler my Boyfriend told me "If they are your true friends then they won't care and they will support you" Sure enough I told them and the only one who didn't suppoprt me was this girl who was claiming to be my friend. She really wasn't. Even my Jahovah's Witness friend was happy for me and it's against her religon to even think about having sex before she is married, she can't even date before she is 18! So i don't know what you are talking about if you have good friends and a good family then don't stress you are well taken care of.
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I get what you're sayin. If, we could trust teens then there wouldn't be that big of a number. Abortion is killing innocent babies who didn't ask to be brought into this world, so why kill an innocent child? It's the same concept with the WTC. Those were innocent people, they didn't asked to be killed. Why kill innocent people? If there were more responsible teens with morals, maturity, and respect, there would not be teen pregnancies.

Okay, while the government is taking away a woman's right to have an abortion, why don't they also take away the right to use contraceptives. Using spermicide kills semen, which could potentially cause pregnancy, etc. Doesn't that sound completely insane. I'm not sure about everyone else, but I certainly don't want the government involved in every aspect of my life, including whether or not I may or may not have a job. Also, are you considering that by making abortion illegal that many women would just have an illegal, back alley abortion, performed with a clother hanger, or some other primative, unsterille instrument. And that this type of abortion will cause infections and death in many women. Who's to say that these pregnancies would not have ended up as miscarriages? Who are you to decide the rights of millions of women. Sure giving children up for adoption is a nice alternative, but do you know the numbers of children in foster homes that will never get adopted? As of Sept. of 1999 there were 581,000 children in foster care, the average amount of time these children had been in foster care was 44 months.DHHS staistics. I'm not saying that adoption is a lost cause, some lucky kids do get adopted to good homes, but the majority are not. I also want to bring up one last point, why does anyone have the right to make any one else's decision. So your child gets pregnant and you tell her she has to raise the baby. So, she's responsible enough to raise a child but not to make a desision. Now that is just rediculous.

I know 2 girls at my school who are pregnant. 1 was raped at a party. She said she wished know she wouldn't have gone to the party, and she also said she wasn't going to kill an innocent child for her mistake. I was glad she felt that way. The other girl and her BF were having unprotected sex, and she got prenant. (Both r 13 by the way!) She told her mom she could get an abortion. Her mom said no. I am glad her mom made this decision. Her mom told her she shouldn't have done that, and she was not killing a baby that didn't do anything. She told her if she ever did that again she would make her take care of the baby and take responsibility of her actions. That girl had her baby, and gave it up for adoption. I also realized something during American History class today. It is illegal to kill a bald eagle, but yet you cn kill an innocent unborn baby, and it is like killing an ant. That is sad, and if there is anything the government needs to do, it is make abortion illegal!

ok... im completely 100% against abortion.. i myself would never ever have one.. but guess what... there are people in america who think that is best for them.. and I DO AGREE WITH THE FACT THAT IF THEY THINK IT IS BEST TO HAVE ONE, THEN HAVE ONE.. it is there choice.. not urs, not their parents, not their friends... THEIRS! thats it. you wouldnt like it if someone took one of your freedoms away-that freedom being the right to choose for yourself-now would you? becuase i can tell you right now, I WOULDNT! i think that adoptoin is the best way to go in that situation, but i dont speak for everyone, and i dont make everyone's disicions... therefore, i think if your choice is to have an abortion, wrong as it might be, that is your choice, and i support you to do what is best for you.

oh and another thing, with freedom you should have the right to choose what is best for you. With that privelege that sometimes can be a blessing and a burden, you should understand the principle enough and respect it enough, and be grateful enough for it and honor it enough not to want to steal that privelege from someone else.

So the pain you'll feel from the ridicule of being pregnant and having a baby, the emotional turmoil and mental grief from having a baby when you were raped or a different scenario isn't worth another's life????????????
HOW PRECIOUS DO YOU MEASURE LIFE TO BE ANYWAY??? The fact is after you have an abortion, you will still be alive with the chance to recover and try to move on from the experience, but an innocent life will have been murdered by your hand. And there is absolutely nothing wrong with giving a baby up for adoption. I WAS ADOPTED, and am fine, healthy and happy and have one of the best families ever. I thank the woman who gave birth to me all the time for her unselfish decision. Sometimes it's hard to do the right thing and will hurt you, but it is still the right thing.

i would just like to respond to one little thing.. that little thing being "freedom is not free" well by being denyed the freedom to choose what is best for you, freedom is yet again, NOT free...

So are you saying that a 11 year old girl who is raped should have to carry a baby for 9 months, and then give the child up? Besides the ridicule you would get that would also put you out of school, and having a baby at such a young age could possibly kill the mother, besides the mental and emotional pain that would come from having a baby at such a young age.

Hey, joyflgrrl, I am appauled at what you are saying. Is the child of a rapist not worthy of life??? I think he is. No one should be denied of one of our unalienable rights: life. Whether they are 85 and dying of cancer or if they are a small, innocent, developing fetus. Don't get me wrong, rape is one of the most horrific thing that someone could do to another person, but murder IS the worst. That child could be adopted and life a full heathy life, but because the girl is so selfish that she "can't handle carrying a rapists baby" that oppertunity must be denied? I don't think so.

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Lil freak, you say that you think that abortions never should have been legalized and that if you get pregnant you have no one to blame but yourself, and you have to face the concequences. What about extremely young girls who become pregnant as the result of rape? That is not their fault. I know girls who were raped and got pregnant and just mentaly couldn't take nine months of carrying a rapists baby. Why should they be forced to do so?

That is the most hardest thing to tell your parents because you don't even want to know their response. Some gurls are to scared to even tell their boyfriends so they get abortions. which i think should have never been passed in the 1st place. If you can do it then you'd better be able to take the consequences. You have no one to blame but yourself. Getting pregnant in teenage years can change your whole life. You won't ever have any freedom. I just hope that the gurlz who get pregnant have someone who will help them. Because it'll be HELLo on their own.

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i couldnt agree with you more!! my mom had my oldest brother when she was 19... needless to say he is 25 now, and she is 45.. she had 4 kids in a WIDE period of time after that too... but she is the best person and mom i could ever ask for.. she would do anything for anybody... she said having a my brother was the best mistake she ever made.. im not saying she said it was a good idea to get pregnant at 19... but what she meant was things happen in life... you have to handle the cards that are delt to you in life.. when she had her first 3 kids, she was a struggling parent.. after the 3rd child was born, she got a divorce.. and was a single parent for about 7 years.. then she met my dad, and had me and my brother.. but for all the struggling she went through, her getting married to my dad pays off for it all.. and her first 3 kids, are all in or graduated college.. and are all very successful.. so basically what im trying to say is, just becuase these people had babies at a young age, they arent bad people.. please treat them as human beings, and be open minded about it.. in a wider prespective.. just be open minded about all kinds of people.. would peace wont happen with out the help of everyone!