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Registered: August 13, 2007
Posts: 216
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quote: You asked me my source for believing Homosexuality is wrong, my source is simply the Word of God...
He means a souce other than the bible. In a debate the bible doesn't count as a source because you cannot prove its validity. Did it ever occur to you that maybe God's plan changed? Maybe he didn't have a plan... When I paint I start with one color but that doesn't mean I am going to use that one color on the whole painting.
"Peculiar travel suggestions are dancing lessons from God."
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Registered: August 27, 2007
Posts: 16
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Shade, I find your reply confusing i have been open enough to accept that you can if you wish translate passages differently to say, '...Strong or Matthew Henry...', this is exactly why i took our discussion away from words and human translation and asked to discuss God...however you translate or mistranslate a word...God and his principles his ethics or morals (for want of better words) stay the same throughout the bible...one man one women, marriage between one man and one women...that you suggest i have not given you information and the truth, suprises me, the Word is the truth and clearly the bible shows in Gods original Plan Adam and Eve...also i am willing to concede that these passages do not use the word love, but that was not the issue you challenged, quote: Danielle5490, you are right in believing that any sexuality other than straight is not right and the act and the thought of doing the act is a sin,
Source?
, quote: Not all Christians believe being gay is a sin.
You asked me my source for believing Homosexuality is wrong, my source is simply the Word of God...May i be so bold as to ask your reason for believing Homosexuality is right and God given? I hope that i am being usful to your quest for truth, i am not writing this in order to belittle your beliefs or your life style...i would also never presume to know you...however i do believe the word says different to yourself.
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Registered: December 27, 2006
Posts: 3926
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quote: i would suggest that you do not dismiss anothers translation of a word simply because it does not fit with your own...You may be wrong...
"Fit my own." Funny. (Show me these translations.) You don't know me, so I'm going to tell you this straight. I don't turn a blind eye to information. If you can give it to me, and if it is true, then I'll take it into account. I am on a search for truth, not bias. And these verses have nothing to do with love. Nothing at all. I don't argue for sodomy. That would be a losing battle where the bible is concerned. I don't believe it's right. But I do believe in love.
...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
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Registered: February 05, 2005
Posts: 920
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quote: I just wanted to know if I was thinking about this the right way
Being an atheist I think that's a great mindset. quote: even the basics of God plan at creation
You can't debate religion quoting the bible.
If god existed he'd be right winged
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Registered: August 27, 2007
Posts: 16
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Shade,
First of all thanks for your reply, your arguments are well put and in order to discuss this with you rather than argue...i will concede that the translation of the word arsenokoites can be argued either way i would say however that your quotes are very inline with modern scholars who are defending a way of life very prominant in todays society...i do not see much argument from early scholars who were closer to the original use, for your translation however...that aside, i would suggest that you do not dismiss anothers translation of a word simply because it does not fit with your own...You may be wrong...
Let us not debate things that are unfortunately entwinned with human ideas and agendas, i ask you to look at the God of Genesis, and at his creation as he intended not as is now a fallen shadow of Gods original plan...God created one man, Adam,
KJV Genesis 1:26 '...And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:..'
NIV Genesis 2:18 The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."
KJV Genesis 2:21 '...And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;..'
KJV Genesis 2:22 '...And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man...'
At this point i wish not to insult your intelligence with snide remarks or jingles about Adam and Steve...but i do wish to draw your attention to Gods Original Design one Man with one helper a women...also i draw attention to Genesis 2 v 24 '...a man shall leave his father and Mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh...'
At no point in the word of God does God say to a man go take another man as your husband, or woman go take another woman as your wife...Gods plan for us was to;
KJV Genesis 1:28 '...And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth...'
The life of a homosexual can not fullfill this plan naturally...simply due to the multiply part of the passage.
I'm sorry but to argue a homosexual life is right based upon misinterpretation of words is to not understand even the basics of God plan at creation...Male + Female.
Please do not take offence for none is meant however i believe the truth of the word of God is the Truth...
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Registered: December 27, 2006
Posts: 3926
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Read Me (Scroll down and you'll find my super long post) Funny how those verses keep popping up. I love this. Mistranslation, I hope you know that. Before you quote them next time, do some research. I've already disproved these and the person who was debating with me never responded. Maybe you can.
...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
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Registered: August 27, 2007
Posts: 16
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Shade, the source of my statemant is below,
NIV 1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders
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KJV 1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind (arsenokoites),
arsenokoites {ar-sen-ok-oy'-tace} Meaning: one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual
Please do not feel i mean any malice towards homosexuals...because i dont.
As for the source of the thinking about commiting the act,
KJV Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Jesus made the point using the sin of adultary but it relates to all sin...however this is not something to feel condemned by because God is a forgiving God, all you have to do is ask...
I hope that helps clarify...
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Registered: December 27, 2006
Posts: 3926
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quote: Danielle5490, you are right in believing that any sexuality other than straight is not right and the act and the thought of doing the act is a sin,
Source?
...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
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Registered: August 27, 2007
Posts: 16
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Danielle5490, you are right in believing that any sexuality other than straight is not right and the act and the thought of doing the act is a sin, however Jesus made it clear through his example that loving the sinner but not the sin is the way to go...be a friend to your bi friends but dont allow yourself to compromise your relationship with God, do not be dragged into situations and conversations that gloat of the sin...be there for your friends but ensure that they know your views...do not force your views upon them and never condemn but flee from the appearance of evil, and be the light and the salt...also remember that if no-one tells them how will they ever know...above all pray for your freinds, that God will cause them to know him and his ways..God bless walk carefully let Jesus be the lamp unto your feet...
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Registered: October 30, 2005
Posts: 5365
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quote: we all know it is a sin to be gay
quote: I don't think any Christian should be discriminatory at all.
Way to contradict yourself. quote: To me, that would be pushing non-believers away from God
Not all homosexuals are "non-believers"
When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace
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Registered: December 27, 2006
Posts: 3926
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Not all Christians believe being gay is a sin.
...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
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