i agree with yogore but if gay people are allowed and are almost expected to show off their sexuality then why cant straight people??? i'm against homosexuality but i'm not homphobic...homosexuality is not the person...the person who choses to be gay is still a person and still deserves to be treated like a person but since they made the choice to be gay they also chose to deal with the consequences that come from that both good and bad

Don't triple post.

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What about "gay pride"

Gay pride is not used to bring homosexuals above anyone else. It doesn't denounce heterosexuality.

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if someone calls them gay, they get mad, but they can go off and label themselves with gay pride t-shitrs?

The problem is that gya is used as a derogatory term. Calling someone a hetero is not the same ebcause i doesn't have all the negative conotations that come when you call someone a homo.

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Most homosexuals (not all) are only homosexuals.

Are you fucking kidding me?

No one is only their sexuality. Everyone has something else that defines them.

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Originally posted by klguddat:
So, you're saying they can show acceptance and love of their sexuality, but straight people can't show love and acceptance of theirs? It doesn't matter if it's common or not. I think it's fine.

It's fine to be proud of your sexuality. What's NOT fine is using this "pride" to assert superiority. Which is what these "Straight pride" t-shirts do.

Gays do not mind being called "gay." That's what they are. It's when it's used in a derogatory way, along with the use of the word faggot, that it becomes an insult.

If you believe the gay pride motto was creating to "hate on the straight" then you've got a lot of living to do just yet.

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Still, its ridiculous. You can be proud of your sexuality, but don't use "straight pride" to pull yourself above other sexualities. That is just stupid.

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What about "gay pride"

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Anyway, I think SP is silly bordering on stupid. It's just a rip-off of Gay Pride that's trying to use it as a cover for hating/not tolterating gays.

Okay, then the gays were just hating on the straight with gay pride, and if someone calls them gay, they get mad, but they can go off and label themselves with gay pride t-shitrs? Yea, makes alot of sence to me.
(ignore spelling, I am tired)

Homos vs. Hetoros
If I called someone homo and they were, they would probably get offended, If I called someone Hetero, and they were they probably would not care.
What else would you call them? Most homosexuals (not all) are only homosexuals. That is all that they present themsleves to be. And if you refer to them as something or have a sarcastic tone they will take it offensive to thier sexuality. So, I think that heterosexuals can complain about something. Or at least have pride in thier sexuality like homosexuals do, or even bisexuals do.

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It doesn't matter if it's common or not. I think it's fine.

The point was that straight pride has only beena way to show the superiority of heterosexuality over homosexuality.

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Originally posted by Euterpe:
Because "gay pride" is used to show one's acceptance and love of one's sexuality. "Straight pride" was made so that heterosexuals could tout their supposed superiority over homosexuals.

Besides, who the hell is proud to be average, or common? You don't see "Blue-Eyed Pride" or "Long Hair Pride" or "Erectile Dysfunction Pride." Most people are only proud of what ssets them apart from others.

So, you're saying they can show acceptance and love of their sexuality, but straight people can't show love and acceptance of theirs? It doesn't matter if it's common or not. I think it's fine.

-----"""Well from my experiance with gay and bisexual friends, as well as observations of the LGBTA on camupus there are certainly nationwide groups that organize and promote events."""---

Yeah, that's true, it's just that calling it a "movement" doesn't seem fitting since it started so long ago and really leveled off until the recent same-sex marriage issue, and it makes it sound like a large portion of the community is involved/moving around on it's behalf.


-----"""The problem I see with these is that they focus more on in your face "We're here and you can't do anything about it you horrible homophobe, nya nya nya" type of stuff."""---

Examples...? Either the specific gays you know are asses, or you are exaggerating. Because overall, the community does not promote or take that attitude, and knows that it is only detrimental.


-----"""I probably made a mistake in calling it the "gay pride" movement"""---

Yeah...having gay pride is different than being an activist.


-----"""it tends to focus on flamboyant expression rather than reasoning"""---

...what are you basing that on? That's not really true.


-----"""The racial civil rights movement made great strides with a stolid but passionate approach."""---

Like with boycotts, sit-ins, and marches? When was the last time gays did anything that flambouyant...? The only thing I can think of are lobbyists who make signs and protest, say, outside a certain capital building deciding on an amendment to ban same-sex marriage in some state constitution. But there are just as many people who come and counter-protest with signs that say "Support Traditional Marriage!" and "Homosexuality = Sin" and such, and even then, that shouldn't really count for either side since it is done mostly by fairly radical individuals. The biggest things the current "gay rights movement" does is sponsor things like Coming Out Week or The Day of Silence, supporting the GLAAD (Gay and Lesbian Assocition Against Defamation) awards, raising money for GSA groups, AIDS research/walks, STD prevention, etc. The efficacy of some of those is debatable, but overall, none of them are "flambouyant" or annoyingly in-your-face, and they aren't deserving of the stereotype of the flaming 80's protestor yelling "We're here, we're queer, get used to it!" that I hear complaints about way too much. Yeah, it'd be nice to have America watch some great gay speaker advocate gay equality just like America watched MLK Jr advocate black equality, but not even that would be practical and would only be met with negative criticism, and the fact the black rights movement was able to get that kind of visibility shows how the situations are different. The main problem is that there are too many people who think gays are cross-dressing sexual perverts, instead of everyday people like the guy who bags your groceries at your local CubFoods.


-----"""The "I'm proud, therefore I deserve rights" line doesn't work on the hardline religous."""---

No one uses that logic in. You seem to be equating showing gay pride with demanding gay rights. There are gays who are going to "be proud" and that is seen by straight people in various forms...in the campus GSA organizing a drag show, in a gay parade, whatever. Now, I know there are some religious/conservatives who see those things and think "the gays are offensively shoving their gayness on me". That's, well, wrong, and most of those activities are done pretty much for fun, so you're not going to be able to convince gays not to do them for the sake of making those certain conservatives feel less alienated.

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The "movement"...though there isn't really a movement any more, would be concerned with gay marriage, which is expected since it involves civil rights, however even then, the feeling in the gay community is that we can't really do much about it, straights will decide to give it to us or not and we'll just have to wait until some of the weird conservative beliefs about gays die off and America is a more socially accepting place.

Well from my experiance with gay and bisexual friends, as well as observations of the LGBTA on camupus, there are certainly nationwide groups that organize and promote events. The problem I see with these is that they focus more on in your face "We're here and you can't do anything about it you horrible homophobe, nya nya nya" type of stuff.

What I hardly ever see from the gay rights movement (I probably made a mistake in calling it the "gay pride" movement) is that it tends to focus on flamboyant expression rather than reasoning. The racial civil rights movement made great strides with a stolid but passionate approach. I think the gay rights movement would benefite greatly from more thinking like that. The "I'm proud, therefore I deserve rights" line doesn't work on the hardline religous.

No, I have never heard of that. From the sound of it, it seems very idiotic. Because of course, heterosexual people who sleep around and get an STD that disables them to have children, surelythey help procreation.

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Did you notice on the NB of the Day it says "clpo13n?" That just struck me as oddly ammusing.

Yeah, what's with that?

Anyway, I think SP is silly bordering on stupid. It's just a rip-off of Gay Pride that's trying to use it as a cover for hating/not tolterating gays.

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The building block of Western civilization has been the Nuclear Family. StraightPride.ca staffers, like billions of others living out our 'lifestyle,' believe that family, morals, and pro-creation are the backbone of our well-being.
We are not homophobic. We do not hate gays.
StraightPride.ca IS against gay marriage and civil unions. Why? That is an easy question to answer- the well being of CHILDREN. It is an undisputable fact that the best home for children is an intact, two-parent, married mom (female) and dad (male).

They sound pretty hateful to me, though I suppose hate and intolerance are two different things.

Still, its ridiculous. You can be proud of your sexuality, but don't use "straight pride" to pull yourself above other sexualities. That is just stupid.

Did you notice on the NB of the Day it says "clpo13n?" That just struck me as oddly ammusing.

I just find it silly.

Set apart in a good way. Erectile disfunction does set you apart, but noones proud of that.

Because "gay pride" is used to show one's acceptance and love of one's sexuality. "Straight pride" was made so that heterosexuals could tout their supposed superiority over homosexuals.

Besides, who the hell is proud to be average, or common? You don't see "Blue-Eyed Pride" or "Long Hair Pride" or "Erectile Dysfunction Pride." Most people are only proud of what ssets them apart from others.

They can have stuff that says "gay pride", why can't other people have stuff that says "straight pride"? I don't know much about the website or the people involved, but I do know everyone has the right to "freedom of expression". Why not?

-----"""I think he means that the whole gay pride movement really isn't about "being proud to be gay" but has instead become a political movement for gay marraige."""---

Woah, that's definitely not true. Gay pride = liking being gay. The "movement"...though there isn't really a movement any more, would be concerned with gay marriage, which is expected since it involves civil rights, however even then, the feeling in the gay community is that we can't really do much about it, straights will decide to give it to us or not and we'll just have to wait until some of the weird conservative beliefs about gays die off and America is a more socially accepting place.


-----"""Seriously, there isn't a reason anyone should be "proud to be gay" any more than you should be proud to be straight."""---

Maybe in a perfect world where no one is hostile or ignorant to anyone else's culture there shouldn't be, but on a certain level, it's similar to how one feels a sense of "pride" in his/her city, family, school, religion, whatever. It just comes from feeling like you "belong" to a group of people who share, in some ways, your ideas and experiences and beliefs that many people around you on a daily basis do not share and do not really understand. I'm convinced all minorities feel this in some way. I found "black pride" and "Jewish pride" seemingly superfluous and a bit annoying once, but once I came out and met more people like me, I felt it too and understood where it comes from. It's pretty interesting...because I don't think the typical American who's white, straight, and for all purposes belonging to the important majorities, can ever really experience that. It's one of the few things I've found valuable in being gay.

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Originally posted by clpo13:
What do you mean, bauhaus?

I think he means that the whole gay pride movement really isn't about "being proud to be gay" but has instead become a political movement for gay marraige.

Seriously, there isn't a reason anyone should be "proud to be gay" any more than you should be proud to be straight. Flaunting your sexuality is ridiculous. You don't build consensus and gain respect by shouting "Hooray for our side!"

Oh and as a sidenote, this t-shirt is so much better than the ones that site has.

What do you mean, bauhaus?