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Registered: August 10, 2003
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No, I don't think you're born gay. But... I also dont think you're born attracted to the opposite sex. When you're little you think liking boys is nasty. I think whether you turn out gay or straight depends on life experience. People who turn out straight have had normal experiences and have been taught through media that liking a girl if you're a boy or vice versa is the right thing to do. On the other hand, if you're a woman who has grown up with an abusive dad and know men who think women are only good for cooking and cleaning you may turn out to be naturally gay because men disgust you. What do you think?
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Registered: October 22, 2007
Posts: 306
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quote: Originally posted by Shade: quote: I seriously never thought of it that way.
Which way?
i think he was refering to my theory of explanation of glbt people
is it possible to fall in love if you have a broken heart?
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Registered: December 27, 2006
Posts: 3919
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quote: I seriously never thought of it that way.
Which way?
...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
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Registered: June 09, 2008
Posts: 80
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I seriously never thought of it that way. My perspective has changed. umm.. I dont really think of it in the first place because of have many gay, and bi friends and it doesn't bother me.
-gaby [There are two great days in a person's life - the day we are born and the day we discover why. -William Barclay]
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Registered: October 22, 2007
Posts: 306
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now im not sure about the whole gay issue but i know that truamatic experiences with one sex can lead to likeing the other sex bot not staying away from the one with the truamatic experince thus created is some one who is bisexual
is it possible to fall in love if you have a broken heart?
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Registered: December 27, 2006
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quote: I think saying that the distinction between choice and genetics is moot is just as ignorant as saying that homosexuality is a choice.
Sometimes, it's influence from both that make a person who they are, regardless of what we're talking about. The issue really is irrelevant. We should concentrate on accepting people for who they are instead of arguing definitions and stereotypes. Take a psychology course, and then you'll realize how sad arguing about it is. You'll never get anywhere.
...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
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Registered: June 11, 2008
Posts: 11
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quote: Originally posted by Meagan87:
We discussed this in my philosophy class, and there was an argument that I really liked by John Corvino in his article "Why Shouldn't Tommy and Jim Have Sex?" (which I have paraphrased briefly below)
The assumption with the argument that you are either born gay or you choose to be gay seems to be that something that happens naturally, from innate desires, is morally acceptable, and something which is a choice is not.
However, by that standard, people born with a tendency towards violence or alcoholism have no responsibility to attempt to overcome it (as most people would agree that neither of these things are good qualities) because it is naturally so, and thus, morally acceptable.
By the same standard, if I am predisposed to write with my right hand, and I choose to write with my left hand instead, that is clearly wrong and sinful because I am making a conscious choice violating something to which I am naturally predisposed.
Thus, I propose that this entire discussion is rather irrelevant in the broader argument of morality as it relates to homosexuality.
I dissagree with "This entire discussion is rather irrelevant". When people finally stop seeing homosexuality as a choice, than we can finally start to move forward as a socity. Homosexuality is not a choice. Why would someone choose to be gay when there is so much social stigma attached to it? Why would I choose to be gay when I know I'm going to have to walk into school everyday just to be crusified by my peers for it? Why would I choose to be gay when I know that there will be rights that I deserve as a human being that will not be affored to me? I think saying that the distinction between choice and genetics is moot is just as ignorant as saying that homosexuality is a choice. |
Registered: November 05, 2004
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Says you. Here's a question, though: if homosexuality is genetic, why would God allow people to be born gay if it's immoral? Doesn't make much sense to condemn people for something they have no control over.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: June 10, 2008
Posts: 9
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regardless if your born with it or not, it's wrong and immoral.
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Registered: May 30, 2008
Posts: 6
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I think it has to do with past experience/influences around you. One of my friends grew up with lesbian parents. (She was adopted). She is now a lesbian. Also, another one of my friends had a bunch of bad relationships with guys, and she ended up a bisexual.
~Lhoraline
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Registered: March 23, 2008
Posts: 4
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I got told by my science teacher that homosexuality is something to do with the amount of hormones in your body and other stuff. Also it can be by experience. Having bad experiences with the opposite sex can also have an effect.
but this conclusion does not note for the reason there are Bi-sexuals, other than they just like having a bit of fun.
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Registered: May 07, 2003
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We discussed this in my philosophy class, and there was an argument that I really liked by John Corvino in his article "Why Shouldn't Tommy and Jim Have Sex?" (which I have paraphrased briefly below) The assumption with the argument that you are either born gay or you choose to be gay seems to be that something that happens naturally, from innate desires, is morally acceptable, and something which is a choice is not. However, by that standard, people born with a tendency towards violence or alcoholism have no responsibility to attempt to overcome it (as most people would agree that neither of these things are good qualities) because it is naturally so, and thus, morally acceptable. By the same standard, if I am predisposed to write with my right hand, and I choose to write with my left hand instead, that is clearly wrong and sinful because I am making a conscious choice violating something to which I am naturally predisposed. Thus, I propose that this entire discussion is rather irrelevant in the broader argument of morality as it relates to homosexuality.
"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world. Indeed it is the only thing that ever has." --Margaret Mead
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Registered: December 27, 2006
Posts: 3919
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Interesting article. If someone contested it, would you post a second time to this website, or are you just a troll?
...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
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Registered: January 02, 2008
Posts: 1
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Let's assume for a minute that you ARE born gay. That still does not excuse you from the sin of homosexuality. For more info go to http://dthog.blogspot.com and read the post "Born Gay?" |
Registered: December 27, 2006
Posts: 3919
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How my mind works is if you form an opinion when you haven't heard all sides, you shouldn't have that opinion. You're less likely to change it. People hate admitting they're wrong, so why be "wrong" in the first place? Other people have other prespectives, and we should give them our time and consider them, or at least listen to them.
...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6008
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What does it matter if she's not looking at all the options (and considering who we're talking about, I doubt that highly)? She has an opinion about what happens. She's not saying it's the truth, no questions asked. I don't see what the fuss is about.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: December 27, 2006
Posts: 3919
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I never sit on the fence. I dance on it. I revel in it. Is that a problem? I shall never tell you you're wrong, but I can tell you you're not looking at all the options.
...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
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Registered: June 14, 2004
Posts: 2721
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You are just sitting on the fence is what you're really doing. quote: You. Are. No. Psycologist. None of us are. We can't say for sure, and none of us should be able to judge based on incomplete information.
It's true that there is insufficient information but isn't that the case for most if not all debates? There is almost always insufficient information. People debate aspects of religion all of the time without concrete evidence. I never claimed to be a psychologist, I am sharing my opinion and the reasons I hold that opinion as opposed to another one. That's the point of debating or discussing issues; that's the point of this forum. So if I want to take a stand with or without sufficient information, I am entitled to do so. You can't tell me that I am wrong in my ideas any more so than you can come up with an opinion on the subject yourself.
Belief makes things real/Makes things feel, feel alright/Belief makes things true/Things like you, you and I
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Registered: December 27, 2006
Posts: 3919
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Have you ever thought about the possibility that it isn't determined? What if it really does happen at puberty? What if it is a sporadic disorder that infects an increasing percentage of the population? What if they really are damned by God? What if it is caused by upbringing and childhood experiences? What if, it is genetic? You. Are. No. Psycologist. None of us are. We can't say for sure, and none of us should be able to judge based on incomplete information. My personal belief? I do not believe it is a choice, I just think it is healthy raising questions about things. Questions other people may not have the courage to look at for one reason or another. Do you think I like asking those questions of myself? No, not really, but in my mind, it must be done, for at this point until we can prove more via science or another method, everything, everything is a possibility.
...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
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Registered: June 14, 2004
Posts: 2721
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No, I am not an idiot but you clearly are if you think that about me. The only evidence I have of your stance on this issue is the post I responded to. If you don't believe they are born gay then how else do you believe sexual orientation is determined? In my view, there are only two ways: either they chose it or they were born with it and, as I have stated, I think it is pretty obvious that they didn't choose it. The only proof I have is logic; I was more or less stating that as my opinion which I believe to be correct even though you are welcome to disagree with it.
Belief makes things real/Makes things feel, feel alright/Belief makes things true/Things like you, you and I
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