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It's stupid to think that if you date a person of your sex that you're called gay.

Um. No it's not. That's like saying it's stupid to think someone who doesn't eat meat a vegetarian.

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Whether you like a guy or a girl, is your choice.

Prove it. Attraction is a chemical reaction in the brain. Do you control the other reactions that go on in your brain?

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I think people who date both guys and girls people prove that you can't be born gay.

That's like saying people who are born straight prove that you can't be born gay. Those are called bisexuals.

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Not something your born with.

You haven't given any good reasoning for why you'd be right.

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I think that if you're limiting yourself to dating only girls or only guys (regardless of your sex) you are limiting people that you could possibly fall in love with.

Well yes, but everyone has things that they're attracted to limiting who they'd fall in love with. Lots of people just aren't interested in both genders.

Correlation. Does. Not. Prove. Causation. A girl who was sexually abused by her father will not be a lesbian because she "hates men." And vice versa for men.

You do not choose to be attracted to anyone. Attraction is just another chemical in the brain. Whether that be to the same sex, opposite sex, or both sexes. And, in that, there are aspects of these people that are attractive to each individual person.

You're a certain sexual orientation by birth, but you accept and are proud of yourself by choice.

I am a guy dating a guy (call me whatever you like)

So i don't think you can be born gay. I think it's the choices you make. Whether you like a guy or a girl, is your choice. It's stupid to think that if you date a person of your sex that you're called gay. I think that if you're limiting yourself to dating only girls or only guys (regardless of your sex) you are limiting people that you could possibly fall in love with.
I think people who date both guys and girls people prove that you can't be born gay. It's a term. Not something your born with.

there's my little rant on the subject.

Eve and Adam are as real as the tooth fairy.

I do beileve that a person can be born gay, but I do not belive that a person is made gay. A murder is born with murder in them because of the fall of Adam and Eve. Adam had the seed of everyman inside of him. So when he and Eve messed up in the garden it effected every human being that was to be born. A person can be born gay and through Christ can be delived from it, but I do not beileve that a person is made gay.

Yeah, that's a really good point, jazz. This whole attitude of sitting around and speculating "where things go wrong" is pretty darn homophobic.

I don't believe that it matters whether one is born gay, or if one makes the decision to live their life that way. What matters is they are. If they're comfortable with that then good for them... the problem isn't how they get to be that way, the problem is whether or not the world accepts them.

No one in their right mind would choose to deal with the stigmaof being homosexual. Therfore, I think it is beyond our control. Sure, it is possible to supress romance and play straight, but in the end your attractions remain one way or another, or both.

sorry that i posted twice

I agree with realisticdude all the way. I think that you are born how you are whether it be ( gay, straight, lesbian, or bi) and I think that the enviroment you are raised in has nothing to do with how you grow up to be. I also hear that people are saying that it is a mental choice, but I disagree and I think it is just about the physical attraction.

I agree with realisticdude. I belive that you are born the way u are ( gay, straight, bi, or lesbian) and I think it doesn't really have alot to do with the enviroment you were raised in. I also dont think that it is a mental issue and I think that it is more of a physical attraction.

Well, blink, I must say I admire your reasoning.

However, you missed something. Homosexuality DOES affect some people: homosexuals, and their families.

I'm jumping all over the place here...so I'll try to think of it on some different angles.

Homosexuality doesn't make sense from both a religious and scientific viewpoint (who both consider procreation to be a very core purpose/instinct of every species). Slot A fits in slot B, we know the deal.

However, I don't see how homosexuality really affects anyone. If it affects your heterosexual marriage then guess what? No it doesn't. It doesn't affect anyone.

The only implication of it possibly affecting anyone would be in the case of adoption....studies which are often ambiguous though my guess is that the children would probably not learn to be gay...something which is just a random guess and I could be fatally wrong on. That is something that needs research

Let's look at a mental disorder like OCD (again I'm not assuming homosexuality is or isn't a disorder).

Let's suppose a person who has OCD has this compulsion where they have to land on their left foot on the last stair step and if they don't theyll start over again.

Let's supposed that while the person does this...theyre about to miss a bus and woops, they landed on the wrong foot on the stair (gotta start over!)

The person who needs serious help would start over even if it means missing the bus...yet the person who can still FUNCTION would say "F that...I'm not missing the bus!"

So in my opinion...with the amount of the general psychology I've covered in school...a mental disorder is something that stops you from functioning normally in everyday life and/or affects/harms someone else in a direct way.

Can a homosexual change?

My question: Why should s/he change?

To be pleasurable in your eyes?

Human beings have the arrogance of thinking that we MUST and are entitled to understand everything. Unfortunately, we will reach some points where we just have to accept things for what they are...

As far as I'm concerned, the only help a homosexual would need is either depression counseling or abuse counseling (in the case that they were abused when they were smaller).

A homosexual should only try to change if and only if they are like that because of a traumatic event which makes them repress their true orientation. Otherwise, nope.

It doesn't affect/harm me and they can still function.

They're gay and they're here to stay and if that pisses you off, then it makes them all the more happier.

I wish I knew what caused it but the only harm that I see in it is prejudice...so I'll take it for what it is. It just is.

Message to qu-eers here:
"Love your enemy. It pisses them off."

see there are two main theories one is that kids are taught to be straight by watching most adults and their same sex parent who shows them how they should act now if like a guy was to have a bed relationship with his father and be around his mom or sister the guy would pick up traits such as acting feminine and liking guys same would apply for gurls now the other theorie is people are born with their sexual preference now everyone is intitled to their opinion but i believe that people are born the way they are gay straight or bi

Ok I respect that Crzyme19. I can always use a hand out.

Lekuche I don't know if you don't have gay people where you live or you don't have homophobes but I know a LOT of people that HATE (and I mean would kill given the oppurtunity) gay people. And it's only revolting if you're straight hun. I mean think about it what makes you attracted to the opposite sex? Get back to me when you figure it out.

Ciao

I don't know why people are convinced that it's a choice. I'd rather not have people saying things like "Oh you're all going to hell" every time I say something like "that girl's kinda cute"

I don't know if you are born gay--but I don't know if you aren't, either. However it works out, I certainly don't think it's a choice or something that you can change. My mother attributes my gayness to her "not providing something emotionally in my life" but I don't think that's true at all. She and my father have given me all that they can. I don't hate men or just not want kids--I love girls (specifically a girl) and I can't help it.

My mother is also very Christian and feels being gay is a choice. The whole subject of homosexuality is up in the air at my home.

So I guess I'll vote yes, one is born gay, simply for the sake that I don't think you can choose otherwise.

BrokenSmile. That was your first post, so I'll try not to snap, but that post is a big no-no. Go to this thread and learn: Newbies- Read here for playing rules...

i dont think u are born gay.... i think u are born u and gay is fine in my opinion. dont hate on smething just because its unique and different.... i think if u hate gays and stuff then u should deal with it and i think its ok for gays to hold hands because if u dont like it then dont look... i really hope that gay marriage become legal in california because i think u love who u love and that u cant help it. . . . . i think people should except gays for who they are and not for how they act and i hope that people will just stop hating on gays because they are just like me and u