" True, but if you stayed based on tradition, we'd be off worse than in the 50s. "


Hey, the Cleveland Indians were good in the 50's!

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Most scientists say that homosexuality is a result of too many hormones from the opposite sex that are transmitted in conception

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No, not too many hormones of the opposite sex. A gay man doesn't have too many female hormones. You can't equater gay men to women and lesbians to men.

APA says:

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What Causes a Person To Have a Particular Sexual Orientation?

There are numerous theories about the origins of a person's sexual orientation; most scientists today agree that sexual orientation is most likely the result of a complex interaction of environmental, cognitive and biological factors. In most people, sexual orientation is shaped at an early age. There is also considerable recent evidence to suggest that biology, including genetic or inborn hormonal factors, play a significant role in a person's sexuality. In summary, it is important to recognize that there are probably many reasons for a person's sexual orientation and the reasons may be different for different people.

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Yeah, that's how people are gay. Most scientists say that homosexuality is a result of too many hormones from the opposite sex that are transmitted in conception

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Some traditions need to be lost.

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So, people are conforming to our now liberal society, which is not founded on tradition.

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True, but if you stayed based on tradition, we'd be off worse than in the 50s.

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... so, open-minded people conform to society, and the base of society is tradition. So, open-minded people conform to tradition. Great argument there.

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Actually, you would have had a good point, but you were not reading what I was writing. The basic jist of what I said was that our society is becoming liberal and is losing its traditions. So, people are conforming to our now liberal society, which is not founded on tradition.

The "open-minded people" was used to show the idiocy of the people who call themselves that.

That was a really stupid thing to say, lekuche. No one is hated, but it is REVOLTING, what they do?
I can't even think of a response to that, other than to say it's a load of crap.

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Yes Inheaven. Your love is appreciated. It often happens that Christians take on the point of view of "Hate the sin not the sinner". However in their blind wrath they wind up hating us anyways. Your love is appreciated. And as for choices...no.

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Darn you,nobody hates you...it's just revolting to be familiar with the same genitals for a lifetime.
what do you think?ponder on it please.

Nobody has any sexual orientation early in life, but what they turn out to be later cannot be changed.

Shut up now kiddies.

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I agree with that except for the body telling you what you like

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Your brain, your genitals, and your horomones are part of your body right?

Yes Inheaven. Your love is appreciated. It often happens that Christians take on the point of view of "Hate the sin not the sinner". However in their blind wrath they wind up hating us anyways. Your love is appreciated. And as for choices...no.

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I don't think you're born gay or straight. I think you're pretty much asexual from the day you're born to the time you hit puberty, then your body lets you know who you are attracted to. And it can not be voluntarily chosen or changed

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I agree with that except for the body telling you what you like, maybe it's just me but if my body controlled me I most likley would have raped someone by now and I know something had to take control over my body, so maybe its not your body...so much

Hmm... Thank you, I think, Inheaven.....

At least you're willing to love.

I am in very huge disagrement with this. I believe that God made all of us equally and didn't command us to be a certain way because if he id that why not make us all obey him? That's why we have free will, it's all for us to choose what we want. Either choose to follow Gods rules or not. But, I won't say your going to hell because how would I? All I know is I'm supposed to love you no matter what you are, but I don't have to love your choices.

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No, I don't think you're born gay. But... I also dont think you're born attracted to the opposite sex. When you're little you think liking boys is nasty. I think whether you turn out gay or straight depends on life experience. People who turn out straight have had normal experiences and have been taught through media that liking a girl if you're a boy or vice versa is the right thing to do. On the other hand, if you're a woman who has grown up with an abusive dad and know men who think women are only good for cooking and cleaning you may turn out to be naturally gay because men disgust you.

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I think that is a very ignorant thing to say.

You have a really good point.I never thought of it that way.

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Originally posted by Punkin05:
No, I don't think you're born gay. But... I also dont think you're born attracted to the opposite sex. When you're little you think liking boys is nasty. I think whether you turn out gay or straight depends on life experience. People who turn out straight have had normal experiences and have been taught through media that liking a girl if you're a boy or vice versa is the right thing to do. On the other hand, if you're a woman who has grown up with an abusive dad and know men who think women are only good for cooking and cleaning you may turn out to be naturally gay because men disgust you. What do you think?

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I think that is true, although i think it has something to do with DNA.. I mean i dont think someone who is gay.. can change... like some religious cults seem to think. I think some people are born likeing the opposite sex, and aren;t made that way.. People were made to be diffrent.. I dont think being gay is a science.. I think it is just being gay.. just like being black, or being jewish.. Its the way that you are. Its not that big of a deal.

EarthGoddess... That's a really interesting way to think about it. I like your version of how things are.

And it's definitely bunk that you have a choice.

Well ask almost any gay person you ever meet. Ask them if they sat down one day and said to themselves

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I think I want to be gay. I think I want the world to hate me and to live one of the most difficult lives imaginable. I think I want people to throw stones at me and to threaten my life day after day after day! I want people to take me out behind the school and beat the living **** out of me because it sounds like a good idea to me.

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Bull****. You don't chose to be gay! I don't care what studies you have to prove it or how many people claim to be "cured". You are only cured the day you die because you will always be a recovering homosexual until you no longer have a chance to do it again. And even if someone does decide to get "cured" they are then making a decision to be with a woman. However it very rarely works. Just wait until they see another Abercrombie and Fitch catalog and come undone.

I don't think you're born gay or straight. I think you're pretty much asexual from the day you're born to the time you hit puberty, then your body lets you know who you are attracted to. And it can not be voluntarily chosen or changed.