I disagree totally. While sexual attraction to one sex or the other (or multiple) is usually discovered during puberty, people are born with a sexual orientation.
Well, we really have no proof for that. I don't see how you can state that so strongly.
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I do not know of a single person - straight, gay, bi, etc - who decided that they wanted to date or kiss or have sex with or whatever a certain sex.
I really hope you aren't implying that I said or think that. Discovering something in puberty is not the same as choosing it.
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Besides, saying that a person isn't born gay is basically the same thing as saying they chose to be gay.
You're either asking for it, or you're an idiot. Have you any idea my stance on this issue?
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Originally posted by Shade: "Born" that way? Doubtful. I would think it happens sometime in puberty.
I disagree totally. While sexual attraction to one sex or the other (or multiple) is usually discovered during puberty, people are born with a sexual orientation. I do not know of a single person - straight, gay, bi, etc - who decided that they wanted to date or kiss or have sex with or whatever a certain sex.
I know that I didn't decide to like boys - I just turned out that way. And many gay men that I know say that they knew they were different as far back as pre-school because of their tendencies toward the more feminine side or simply because they always knew they didn't like girls in "that way."
Besides, saying that a person isn't born gay is basically the same thing as saying they chose to be gay. And, really, at least in the United States, do you think anyone would choose to be gay? With the amount of discrimination against them and the lack of rights, I highly doubt many gay people would be as such if given the choice. Some, maybe, but definitely not all. In fact, I have read books about gay characters where they state that if they could choose then they would be straight.
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Why limit yourself? Bi's really the only way to go.
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Before anyone cast judgement on before i make my point....Im A LESBIAN...and im proud of it. I was raised in a southern Babtist family. Being gay was WRONG and so much for yalls theory of it being the stuff around you that makes you gay.
From the time I was little i knew i liked girls i even tried to change myself. I dated guys it was gross and nasty but i made myself do it.
I was born that way. No doubts about it.
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Yes, I'll answer it. It's painfully obvious you're too immature to seperate emotions from themselves. "Love" in your case, can be mixed up with any other common emotion: infatuation, lust, admiration, worship. Or. Here's the theory I support: you're a liar.[/QUOTE]
thanks Shade......you can't help ur feelings towards others sometimes.......
Originally posted by Ilive4Him: [QUOTE]Originally posted by clpo13: As YV said, you can't choose your feelings. They exist whether you acknowledge them or not. I don't choose to be sad about the death of a relative. I don't choose to be in love with my girlfriend. I don't choose to be happy when I get good grades. I just am.
excuse me but everything is a choice...you DO choose to love your girlfriend....cuz what if she cheated on you and went and slept with another guy, and got pregnant from him, would you still love her??most likely not.....so you DO choose whether or not you love her....
But those in essence are CONSCIOUS choices, with understandible and preventable consequences. You can't help the way you feel towards someone. I wasn't one of the idiots who "comes out of the closet" for some social-characterization process. I didn't do it because of a fad. I did it because I had strong feelings towards someone of the opposite sex for a long time, and trust me, I thought out my decision a long time before I did. I dind't choose to have the feelings, I CHOSE to come out. Please, I beg that you understand that it's not a lightswitch that you can turn off.
oh, and if i dont know what love is, then why the hell am i, married, and in love, and i have a child??? can you answer that one???
Yes, I'll answer it. It's painfully obvious you're too immature to seperate emotions from themselves. "Love" in your case, can be mixed up with any other common emotion: infatuation, lust, admiration, worship. Or. Here's the theory I support: you're a liar.
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you know what?? you are right, i didn't even think about that, i have loved someone, but HATED what they did to me....but you are right, i forgave them, b/c i loved them...but you can choose to dislike someone...i have done it...
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oh, and if i dont know what love is, then why the hell am i, married, and in love, and i have a child??? can you answer that one???
*Is confused*
By the way, Ilive4Him, you can put all your replies in one post. It makes things easier to read.
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cuz what if she cheated on you and went and slept with another guy, and got pregnant from him, would you still love her??
No, but that wouldn't be my choice. If my girlfriend cheated on me, she wouldn't be the person I fell in love with (the one who swore she'd never cheat). Just as love happened all on its own, the love would go away all on its own because of how much she would have changed.
Besides, if everything is a choice, then I would choose whether or not to be hurt. But I'm pretty sure I'd be hurt by a cheating girlfriend no matter what I wanted to feel.
you know what- i'm sorry...you are right..love does just kn=inda happen.....almost like magic-huh???
excuse me but everything is a choice...you DO choose to love your girlfriend....cuz what if she cheated on you and went and slept with another guy, and got pregnant from him, would you still love her??most likely not.....so you DO choose whether or not you love her....
Obviously you know nothing about love. You can love someone while, at the same time, condeming their actions. If you really love someone you would forgive them, even for a transgresion as serious as cheating. You can't choose love.
you know what?? you are right, i didn't even think about that, i have loved someone, but HATED what they did to me....but you are right, i forgave them, b/c i loved them...but you can choose to dislike someone...i have done it...
ILiveForHimm, you need to close the coding to your quotes. Just letting you know. It should look like this:
[quote]blah, blah[/quote]
Ya?
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excuse me but everything is a choice
What's the basis for this? I step on someone's toes, they yell. I throw a flaming branch at someone's face, they jump back. Those aren't choices. I detest mushrooms; in fact, I get sick from them. Tell me it's a choice to get sick from mushrooms.
I also second the veggie girl's opinion. You know nothing about love.
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