i think what frick means that a gay/lesbian can choose to pretend to be straight to protect himself/herself.

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Everything is getting twisted, people pierce the body,tatoo the body,split the TONGUE,now they are overtly Gay.

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Actually, people have been doing that stuff for ages now. It wasn't like a tradition but its been done before many times so THAT hasn't changed.

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You DO NOT choose to be gay....BUT....sometimes people CHOOSE to be straight.

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Well, with that logic, some people can choose to be gay also.

I think that there are many bisexuals-by-choice. Many of the instances bisexual activity I've encountered seems to be a sort of "do it because it feels good" type of activity.

Yes, you are born gay. It has nothing to do with your life. You DO NOT choose to be gay....BUT....sometimes people CHOOSE to be straight. I am going to address the whole God thing even though it's not part of your post. Even though the bible only talks about straight couples, God would much rather you just be your gay self than LIE to yourself and everyone else and pretend to be straight. Telling the truth to yourself and others is the one thing that God wants the most.
*Frick*

Leukemia

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..What if the world is changing and we don't ride horses for transportation bla bla..Is that why Humans have to derail in their thinking.

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Right. So changing for the better equals "derailing their thinking" in your small mind.

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Everything is getting twisted, people pierce the body,tatoo the body,split the TONGUE,now they are overtly Gay.HAVE you ever figured why Lions, Dogs don;t copulate with their same sex..l mean like a male to male lion copulating.

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Sorry to burst your little fragile bubble and stretch your mind to accomodate the "impossibly bad things," but... everything has always been twisted.

People in Africa have been piercing themselves for years (they try to stretch out their ears and their lips and stuff like that). The Mauoris have been getting tatoos for a long time for tribal and spiritual purposes. "Split the tongue?" People in Greece and other places have been "overtly gay" for a long time as well. And yes, animals do "copulate" with their same sex. I see my dogs do it all the time.

No, I've never wondered that, because they do. Futility101 had lesbian rabbits, and it's well documented that many species have homosexual sex.

..What if the world is changing and we don't ride horses for transportation bla bla..Is that why Humans have to derail in their thinking.
Everything is getting twisted, people pierce the body,tatoo the body,split the TONGUE,now they are overtly Gay.HAVE you ever figured why Lions, Dogs don;t copulate with their same sex..l mean like a male to male lion copulating.

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"We have freedom, we should be able whatever we want ..." it is BS! If that were true, murder would be allowed and we would have an even worse society.

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I want to start out by thanking all of the people who have already pointed out the blatantly stupid argument you were trying to pass off as feasible, but just in case you didn't get the message, I thought I would try to more precisely define my point. Obviously we don't live in a society of barbarians that would just turn the other cheek to murder or rape or what have you. The quote "If it makes you happy, it cant be that bad," was not meant to be interpreted in a negative sense. Although it seems that when it comes to the subject of homosexuality that seems to be the only attitude you have. What I ment to imply was that anything that involves another person should have to be consensual. Murder, obviously, does not reckon into that. Now, is there anything else I can help you with?

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*This post has proudly been deemed racism free by the Honorable Coalition of Bushsupporter, Marine16, and notsojoey and their endless pursuit to cast out the bigotry that has infiltrated youthNOISE.*

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And we all know that homosexuality is a race, so racism applies to it or something.

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All you so called "open minded" people are just conforming to society. We need to keep tradition because that is the basis of our society.

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... so, open-minded people conform to society, and the base of society is tradition. So, open-minded people conform to tradition. Great argument there.

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"We have freedom, we should be able whatever we want ..." it is BS! If that were true, murder would be allowed and we would have an even worse society. There are limits and they should be stated - Not everything is right.

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However; homosexuality, and its subsequent actions, harm no one. Murder harms the victim, and people close to them. So no harm = harm, or so you are attempting to point out.

Thank you, jdougan. ^__^

Well said CrazyChild and Earthgoddess.

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You choose to be involved in homosexual activity, are you not? You are such a fool! This isn't even a matter of if you are attracted to the same sex, the problem is do you act upon it. It's the homosexual activty that's sinful.

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Listen to yourself for God's sake. If the natural attraction to someone of the same sex is so "wrong" and "unnatural," then why do they get it? It is not a sin if they cannot help it. Why is it a sin if they act upon their feelings of love?

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All you so called "open minded" people are just conforming to society.

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Because we all know that fighting for the rights of people who are being hated for something that they cannot help is such a bad and "conforming to society" thing. Whatever you say, moron.

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Not everything is right - you can't be a pushover and allow everything.

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And you cannot be so stubborn that you do not change anything at all. People thought that the sun revolved around the Earth for a long time, and when someone finally realized that the old tradition was wrong and said something, he was killed.

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There are limits and they should be stated - Not everything is right.

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It's really too bad that we do not have a law limiting the amount of idiots like you we can have around at one time.

Before i found out my cousin was lesbian, I didn't think gay people should be allowed to get married and i thought it was so wrong. But now more then ever, i wish her my very best and hope she gets to fall in love. I don't think you have to be homosexual to be able understand about being born gay or anything, as long as you know someone is gay and you talked to them. And bogey, i think you are just afraid of change. Look at the world around you. We don't use horses as transportation any more. We don't cook the way we used to. The world is gonna keep changing. And so is the traditions.

Homosexuality != Murder, jackass. Try coming up with an argument that has some base in reason next time.

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"If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad."

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Yeah, like a totalitarian mind is what we need -whatever creates the most happiness for the greatest amount of people is correct in human conduct. All you so called "open minded" people are just conforming to society. We need to keep tradition because that is the basis of our society. Sure we need to change some things because you know "times change", but keep the same base. Not everything is right - you can't be a pushover and allow everything. Sometimes people go over the limit and you have to tell them. This, "We have freedom, we should be able whatever we want ..." it is BS! If that were true, murder would be allowed and we would have an even worse society. There are limits and they should be stated - Not everything is right.

First, let me start off by saying that i'm gald to see that there are some open-minded, level-headed people like Xia and EarthGoddess around. Second, I think that love should not have anything to do with the government or the Bible (and before anyone says anything, I believe in god and have accepted him as my lord and savior). Love should only have to do with love itself. If you love someone, be it man or woman, it shouldn't matter. If you are lucky enough to find someone in this life that can make you happy, go with it. Don't care what anyone else thinks, or what anything says is right or wrong. If I may borrow a line form a Sheryl Crow song; "If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad."

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It's the homosexual activty that's sinful.

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Oh friggin well. This is America, the land of the free. If you don't like it move to an uninhabited island in the middle of the Atlantic ocean and create your own nation of "perfect" christians.

I'd also like to point out that I don't understand why you people are whining about how sinful homosexual activity is. You aren't taking part in this activity, so why bother these people? Mine your own damn life. Why is that so hard? Do you secretly wish to be gay or something? If not, then leave them alone. If you see two men kissing and it bothers you, look in the opposite direction and walk away. They're only exercising their right to be free and most importantly, they aren't hurting anyone.

I'd like to see some of you try to spread your hate around in my school. 90% of the students would laugh at you and/or kick your a**.

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you cannot say they choose it; therefore, it is not wrong and they are not "sinning."

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You choose to be involved in homosexual activity, are you not? You are such a fool! This isn't even a matter of if you are attracted to the same sex, the problem is do you act upon it. It's the homosexual activty that's sinful.

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Completely agreed with that.

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Dr.SL, I wasn't disagreeing with you. I was just elaborating upon your point for the benefit of these idiots who insist on reading the wrong meaning in everything we say.

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I think we need to start listening to the people who actually matter in these debates. The homosexuals.

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Go Earthgoddess! ^__^

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i once read in the bible that you can not be born gay

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No you did'nt.

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Of course you are attracted to the opposite sex when you are born. People who are gay chose to be gay.

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When I was 6 I hated boys. When I hit puberty I liked them a little more.

You are heterosexual. You have absolutely no idea whatsoever what it is like to be a homosexual, therefore you can not make an acurate generalization about them.

I think we need to start listening to the people who actually matter in these debates. The homosexuals.

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Something that is a "sin" or is wrong is only such if the person chooses to do it. But, if they are born like that (which would be the case with the disorder scenario), you cannot say they choose it; therefore, it is not wrong and they are not "sinning."

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Completely agreed with that.

That's not anywhere in the bible, that's just you using the lesson taught by a mistranslated old testament verse to serve your own agenda.

**** you!

*Poncho: Certified free of bigotry and full of hate*

[This message was edited by YNLissa on June 07, 2004 at 06:34 AM.]