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I read an article about how homosexuality was more prevelant in the 3rd male child. They theorized that there was something that made boys attracted to girls that the mom's body didn't understand so it just passed it on. As the woman's body got farmiliar with having boys (by the 2nd or 3rd boy) there was a higher chance her body would block the trait making the boy attracted to boys. I don't remember exactly but that's the gist.

Although 6/7 gay guys I'm friends with are 1st born.

I've heard that as well, that there's some sort of hormonal "disturbance" in the womb...

Indeed, most gay guys I know are first borns as well. I am, my cousin is, my boyfriend is, all of my past (gay) crushes were first-borns and the only out kid in high school was also a first born.

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it is a proven fact the people are bron gay. u get it from ur mother.

It's not proven, there have been theories.

I read an article about how homosexuality was more prevelant in the 3rd male child. They theorized that there was something that made boys attracted to girls that the mom's body didn't understand so it just passed it on. As the woman's body got farmiliar with having boys (by the 2nd or 3rd boy) there was a higher chance her body would block the trait making the boy attracted to boys. I don't remember exactly but that's the gist.

Although 6/7 gay guys I'm friends with are 1st born.

Where did you hear that?

it is a proven fact the people are bron gay. u get it from ur mother.

Yay for being a statistic!

<3 for being a natural stereotype.

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I was flamboyant before I knew I was gay, I promise!

And I swear I was my same tomboy/androgynous(sp?) self before I came out.

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It's really annoying how now that they know they are gay they become total flamers. Its definately one of my pet peeves.

I hate that too! I was flamboyant before I knew I was gay, I promise! There's this one kid at my old school who once he came out joined chorus because that was the "gay" thing to do. Despite knowing nothing about music (or even singing) he criticized the teacher for how things should be done and acted like he was the best simply because he was gay. Ew, stereotypes.

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I was raised mostly by my dad and since he likes girls and always talked about it them, it started to come naturally to me...

if it came naturally to you, then how would you know it was because your dad likes girls? Based on the number of lesbians in your family, I'm guessing genetics has atleast something to do with it.

And, bad experiences with the opposite sex does not not not make you gay. I hate when people say that. Infact, i have more boy trouble than girl trouble. I could get a girlfriend in an instant. If only that's what I wanted.

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Is it still bisexual if the person doesn't really swing both ways?

Bisexual just means they're attracted to both sexes. They could, theoretically, choose to only date the same or opposite sex, but that doesn't make them hetero or homosexual. Obviously they'd be the only ones to know, but as long as they're attracted to both genders they're bisexual.

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Or deciding that members of the opposite sex are, say, too needy, and abandoning them for members of the same sex?

That sure takes a lot of will power. It's possible to date or have sex with the gender you're not attracted to, but orienation isn't defined by who you have sex with, it's who you're attracted to.

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But doesn't bisexual mean that a person prefers both sexes? What if a formerly straight person decides to limit his or her love life to those of the same sex? That's not really bisexual, now is it? Is it still bisexual if the person doesn't really swing both ways?

Sorry I haven't responded in a more timely fashion...

First, NO. Bisexual is an orientation. Homosexual is an orientation. Heterosexual is an orientation. Transgendered is a type of sexuality, not an orientation. "Gay" or "lesbian" is a label by which both homosexually-oriented individuals go under, but also under the "gay/lesbian" umbrella are the bisexuals who prefer the same sex over the opposite. Some bisexuals prefer the opposite sex. This, if I haven't made it obvious by linguistics, signifies a preference versus an orientation. To summarize, orientation is the sexuality by which one does not CHOOSE OR PREFER either sex, whereas a preference is a sexuality by which an individual CHOOSES OR PREFERS one sex or the other.

The second part of your question seems to be prodding into what is commmonly called "bicuriosity" because the individual is not sure about one sex or the other, and has not fully developed one preference.

It is life experiances...I was raised mostly by my dad and since he likes girls and always talked about it them, it started to come naturally to me...Also, my dad's mom is gay...My mom's aunt and uncle are gay...And I was raised around all of them...Another thing is that I've had alot of bad experiances with boys and realized that they my not be for me...One thing is that I heard from one of my teachers that being gay is a birth defect, and I belive that they may just be trying to put us into a group to be ooked at more wierd and be even more descriminated.

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I go to school with this one guy (who I could tell was gay) who appeared straight to nearly everyone and within a week he just came to terms with himself somehow and suddenly started acting like a total flamer. Lots of people I know said he chose to be gay because he seemed to change "overnight".

Eck! I knew a guy who did that to. It's really annoying how now that they know they are gay they become total flamers. Its definately one of my pet peeves.

Excuse me for never seeing any of that before now. I'm sorry if my ignorance offended you. But doesn't bisexual mean that a person prefers both sexes? What if a formerly straight person decides to limit his or her love life to those of the same sex? That's not really bisexual, now is it? Is it still bisexual if the person doesn't really swing both ways?

Look, for most people, a homosexual is someone who prefers members of the same sex. Is this a choice or is it genetic? Who knows? You say there's a difference between orientation and preference, but I have yet to see exactly what that difference is.

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Some just take longer to come to terms with that, which is why it might appear that previously straight people suddenly become homosexuals.

I go to school with this one guy (who I could tell was gay) who appeared straight to nearly everyone and within a week he just came to terms with himself somehow and suddenly started acting like a total flamer. Lots of people I know said he chose to be gay because he seemed to change "overnight".

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However, this is not to say that there aren't those who do make a conscious choice.

I hate repeating myself so much. I really, really do. I even wrote an article for YN with this topic included in it. Those who make any, ANY choice in sexuality are deemed BISEXUAL (between hetero- and homo-), PANSEXUAL and so on. They are NOT HOMOSEXUAL. There is a VERY big difference between ORIENTATION and PREFERENCE.

How so? For choosing to have sex with both men and women? Or deciding that members of the opposite sex are, say, too needy, and abandoning them for members of the same sex?

How can you pass judgment on that which you don't have experience with?

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However, this is not to say that there aren't those who do make a conscious choice.

And those people are idiots.

From my experience with gay friends, I would venture to say that most homosexuals are born that way. Some just take longer to come to terms with that, which is why it might appear that previously straight people suddenly become homosexuals. However, this is not to say that there aren't those who do make a conscious choice.

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Originally posted by aaathreat:
ok to clear things up down below! you can choose who to like. if you could choose WHO TO LIKE life would be too easy. that's why we don't get to choose the love of our lifes AHEAD OF TIME! so now i don't think being gay is a choice and i think for some people its more a part of discovering themselves while others have already found that part of themselves already.

Discovering yourself can be a choice and the discovering is a choice in itself.

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Originally posted by aaathreat:
Well the bible really shouldn't be used a reference at all because it's faith. its not fact...I suggest people read the play: The Last Days of Judas Iscariot. It really makes you think about everything.

Was Judas Iscariot not out of the Bible?

Well the bible really shouldn't be used a reference at all because it's faith. its not fact. I can choose to believe in the Catholic faith but I can't really choose who i am. also, the people who wrote the bible didn't exactly interview god or the devil so they dont' exactly know wat their purposes/activites that they do are. I suggest people read the play: The Last Days of Judas Iscariot. It really makes you think about everything.

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I'm not saying we shouldn't love the homosexuals...we are told to love everyone. No it doesn't say it in the Bible that the devil created homosexuality, not that I know of, but He said that a man and woman were made to lie together, not man and man or woman and woman. What you said about the Leviticus thing, I should have found a better refreence I gues, since there' so much disagreement over the book of Leviticus...here's another one: Romans 1:18-32)