If they don't like the pain than why would they be trying to exscape life? I mean isn't one of the top reasons why people chose to kill themselves pain?

The only REAL FREEDOM we have is the choice WHETHER OR NOT to commit suicide. And it can never be taken away.

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I dont think that its really that they like pain.

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Are you stupid? Read the comment before it. And to the rest of you, STOP TRYING TO ANALYZE OTHER PEOPLE!!!! They do it because they do it, all right? I inflict pain because I love it! They suicide because they want to, though I do not doubt if people like you, judging, labeling, defining, have had an impact on several suicide victims, not in the way you want, though. Just let them alone: it's what they want. You're a newbie. I shouldn't have even graced you with anger. Waste of my time. Just... Stop trying to figure them out.

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I wasnt trying to analyse anyone or figure them out. And no Im not stupid, but it appears to me that you are. People that commit suicide dont just affect themselfs. They affect everyone who knew them and loved them. I loved my stepbrother soo much though at times I never really showed it. I think that its stupid to be like " I like pain so Im going to kill myself" Alot of times people attempt to kill themselfs just to get the attention that they have been striving for all along. I know what self inflicted pain is like, I as well have cut up and sctratched myself up, but I obviously never went through with actual suicide though Ive often thought of it. I decided that nothing in life is worth killing yourself over, there is always hope, you just have to look deep inside yourself and find it. Remember we shouldn't rely on others to give us happiness nor we should we base our happiness on them.

Crap, I got off topic. In answer to your question: I needed an out for all my hate, rage, frustration, and self-loathing though mostly the last one. Cutting relieved it.

What is actually wrong with self mutilation? Perhaps if there were suicidal inclinations involved then people would have cause to get upset, but honestly, I see nothing wrong with just cutting yourself. My shrink told me I should do something more constructive. But the point is, when I am that frustrated/hateful/self-deprecating, if I do something "constructive" say, writing a poem, it never seemed good enough and I'd just get angry with myself for my inferiority. It's better than breaking things because they usually stay broken and skin (or at least mine) heals. If I didn't release all my tension I'd probably do something worse like hop in my car and drive and probably end up in a wreck. Is there some fundamental thing that I'm missing? Some moral (non-Biblical) based objection which I have overlooked? I am a newbie, so perhaps this is the case since it seems a generally held rule that all newbies are devoid of true thought anyways. Oh well.

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I inflict pain because I love it!

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Amen to that.

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I dont think that its really that they like pain.

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Are you stupid? Read the comment before it. And to the rest of you, STOP TRYING TO ANALYZE OTHER PEOPLE!!!! They do it because they do it, all right? I inflict pain because I love it! They suicide because they want to, though I do not doubt if people like you, judging, labeling, defining, have had an impact on several suicide victims, not in the way you want, though. Just let them alone: it's what they want. You're a newbie. I shouldn't have even graced you with anger. Waste of my time. Just... Stop trying to figure them out.

I agree. Vindicated, i think i know who you're talking about. But don't let her pass the torch on. You have so many people that love you and you have no idea what it'd be like without having you there for them. Sorry to the rest of you for sharing this sappy post.

i think that most people do it, or think about doing it becasue they think taht they are alone in this world. one of my friends have acctually tried doing it, fortenitly, it didnt work.

im not saying that i havnt at all though, i have thought about it in the last couple of months.

it just seems like latly my family has no time for me, not at all, my sister that really did care about me is in colege know and the only time that i can talk to her is after 10, and buy then i am in bed, that way she doesnt wast her minutes. but all of my friends were mad at each other and i just though about what it would it would have been like if i wasnt there.

i have thought about O.D. ing before but i was to chiken to do, thankfully, but when ever i do feel like this, my friends always cheer me up. friends are the best.

I dont think that its really that they like pain. I think that its more that they feel that their lifes have no purpose that they are nothing but an inconvience for others. People tend to be really rude to others and very unappreciative pf them. My stepbrother commiteed suicide when I was 6 years old. I don't think that people ever show eachother how much they really do mean to them and how much they do love them and need them. We shouldnt take the people we love and care about for granted, or even the people that do tend to get under our skin because they are human and have rights just as much as the next person. If you dont like the way someone talks, looks,acts or anything like that, just try to avoid them and avoid conflict with them instead of making them feel like they are nothing. We never know just how much the things we do or the things we say effect others and hurt others.

Maybie people just like the pain?

Mabey people can just walk away from the pain.

i dont it sux luv peace

Okay let me tell you all something i am a guy wh ohas friends that attempted it and me its stupid think of your family its cowardice i hate this world but you have to stick with it peple always love you dont worry if you have any questions email me at mastercdiddy@aol.comluv always koony

loook i am gonna tell you i have commited suicde and it suxs because you hurt the people who love you the most.i have been there and done that. cutting you leave scars and ayou hurt yourslf and then you have to pay for the things that you have done i hate it and then you have to deal wiht it the rest of your life. If you are think inh of suicde just dont do it talk to somebody that is what saved my life.

Your welcome veggiegirl. it is hard to think about what you've been through, let alone talk about it.

Who cares? They're dead.

I started attempting suicide when I began high school, mainly because all my friends stopped talking to me and I had no friends at all until my junior year when my friend Dan moved up here. Plus, my parents drive me crazy, I'm always failing my classes, I'm ugly, I'm fat, everyone at school stares at me, nobody likes to talk to me, my mom constantly yells at me for being quiet although yelling scares me and makes me even more quiet, and blah blah....

Eh... Suicide isn't that bad. Especially if no one wants to help you.

I've thought about it and I wrote a post about it too. My Main reason is just because life has been really stressful lately. I've had family problems, guy problems, school problems, friend problems, and basically anything else you can think of problems. Sooo...yeah.

people say it's a long term solution to a temporary problem and this is true but suicidal people do not see it like that. the way a lot of them see it is that they can't picture anything long term except the pain and they'll do anything to end that pain. it may seem like they have a great life, but the human way of thinking is that there's something better-the grass is greener on the other side. and no matter how great the people that surround you are, if you can't be who you really are, or feel you can't, it will slowly tear you apart. depression is a strange, overpowering emotion. I know that I have trust issues, and I can't tell my friends a lot, but what has kept me sain is odly the insanity of my friends. I am the stable one and I have to be so or the ones I love will not be here. I've slipped before and there were attempts, but now they are getting more stable from my workings as the local ammature psychiatrsist.