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Originally posted by CelticNewAger:
Of course guys like girls who can please them sexually. Any girl would love a guy who could do so too. But, unfortunately, only women are enough of idiots to sexual do things just so guys will think they're hot. You'll never see a guy perform oral sex on girls just so that they like him.

Amen, sister. ******* women are stupid sometimes. ..That's all I had to say.

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I only said that ME and A LOT OF GUYS I KNOW like girls who can please them sexually.

A lot of guys and me.

Of course guys like girls who can please them sexually. Any girl would love a guy who could do so too. But, unfortunately, only women are enough of idiots to sexual do things just so guys will think they're hot. You'll never see a guy perform oral sex on girls just so that they like him.

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I said that I would rather date a grl who will be dirty than one who will be prude, because one who will mess around is a bigger turn on than one who wont

Well of course a sexually active girl will be a bigger turn on...I mean she is in the process of physically turning you on. But you again fail to recognize the medium. She doesn't have to fall into the prude category just because she won't have sex. She may very well be into doing other sexual things with you but just not willing to go all the way.

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and the reason i can enjoy life IS because i dont take it seriously yet. one day i will, and at that point i will have grown up, but untill then i am glad to be immature because nobody expects much out of you. After college or sometime during college i believe that i will start to take life seriously. most likely during college. Untill then i want to have lots of carefree fun that can only be had while you are young, uncommited and well...carefree.

This is what the phrase "taking life seriously" means in my eyes: It means having fun without doing anything dumb that will mess up your future. Now, just so don't infer, I am not saying that I consider premarital sex "dumb." While that is not something I wish to engage in, I do not care if anyone else does. I do, however, think sex without knowing the person well or without putting some type of lasting commitment in it to be dumb.

So you can live an immature, carefree life now...but I think it will hurt you in the long run. You have to care about something when you're young to have something in the future.

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i have NEVER ONCE said that your relationship (wothwaiting) cant be uflfilling without sex. I only said that ME and A LOT OF GUYS I KNOW like girls who can please them sexually.

I know. I was just pointing out to you that the concepts of love, commitment, and trust to mean something to some guys your age. And who said that I don't please my boyfriend sexually? Just because I won't have sex with him doesn't mean I leave him waiting.

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just because it sounds like i am saying something does not mean that i am saying it.

Now, I'm sorry, but I just have to say that this is one of the dumbest statements I've ever read. More often than not, if it sounds like you're saying something (meaning the letters are forming together to make these words and they are coming out sounding like those words), then you're saying it.

Okay, I'll stop picking on you. I know what you meant to say by saying that.

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i never depricated anyone for not wanting or not valuing sexual activity

Again, you never mention a medium. I'm a teenage girl. Do guys not think that girls can be just as h*rny at this age as them? Of course we can. So it's not that I don't want or that I don't value sexual activity (it can be very fulfilling) but I don't think it is necessary to have a relationship and I think other things are more important than that sexual activity. All I did was kiss my first boyfriend and we still had a good, long-lasting relationship.

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you have all taken offense to the fact that i seach for sexual activity. i dont know why. i try not to be sexist

I don't think we understand why you search for it. Why not search for a girl with whom you enjoy her company and then let it progress into a sexual relationship?

Sorry if I misunderstood you AMF, but it seemed to me that you were saying it was bad if a guy didn't look for sex in a relationship. If that's not what you were saying, I apologize. But indeed, that's not what I go for when I date. However, neither do I look for love. Not at 17, I don't. Compassion maybe. I'd like to have someone who cares about me, and that's how my last relationship was. If I may say, it was the best six months of my life. And I didn't have sex.

ahh good point, but once again, i never said i base the strength of a relationship on how willing she is to get dirty. I said that I would rather date a grl who will be dirty than one who will be prude, because one who will mess around is a bigger turn on than one who wont

and the reason i can enjoy life IS because i dont take it seriously yet. one day i will, and at that point i will have grown up, but untill then i am glad to be immature because nobody expects much out of you. After college or sometime during college i believe that i will start to take life seriously. most likely during college. Untill then i want to have lots of carefree fun that can only be had while you are young, uncommited and well...carefree.

i have NEVER ONCE said that your relationship (wothwaiting) cant be uflfilling without sex. I only said that ME and A LOT OF GUYS I KNOW like girls who can please them sexually. read dont infer, just because it sounds like i am saying something does not mean that i am saying it.

i never depricated anyone for not wanting or not valuing sexual activity, except for cplo who i said has no testosterone, and for that i apolgize, though you still baffle me

you have all taken offense to the fact that i seach for sexual activity. i dont know why. i try not to be sexist

I don't think what we're saying is that we think that guys (or gals) who want sex are shallow - but people who base the strength of their relationship and how attractive a girl is on how willing they are to do the dirty (or close to the dirty) is pretty shallow.

I guess that's the difference between you and I, then...I have always been serious about life and every aspect of it.

If you're not serious about life and what you're doing with it, then how can you also enjoy it?

My loving and committed relationship is very fulfilling, satisfying, and enjoyable with or without what we do behind closed doors.

I've never had a short relationship (excluding a brief weekend rebound of phone calls that was certainly not my finest point) and certainly never a "one night stand" as I've never had sex. I can't imagine what it would be like to go on a date with four different guys in the matter of a week. I think that's stupid. I would much rather find one guy that I can really connect with and have a good time with and spend months and months with him.

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Love, commitment, and trust. Those words mean so much to a 17 year old teenager. Honsetly are you flipping kidding.

They mean a lot to me and my boyfriend and I'm only 16 while he will be turning 19 in December.

If we weren't in love, if we weren't committed, and if we didn't trust each other how would we be able to sustain our relationship while he is in Parris Island this summer for basic training with the Marines and I am in NC and have virtually no contact with him?

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love, commitment, and trust sound like things you want when you are getting married and want kids. please i am not that serious about life yet. when i decide to dry out and settle down illl remember those words. I think i will suck the fruit of life for all of its juices before eating it.

You make it sound like "settling down" is the end of all things fun. To me, it's merely the beginning of a new, enjoyable life.

Love, commitment and trust
wham, bam, thank you ma'am

too many peole these days are self richeous

Love, commitment, and trust. Those words mean so much to a 17 year old teenager. Honsetly are you flipping kidding. Not all sexually active girls have STD's(look at stats for # of STD's), and not all are sl's. If when all the mushy cushy crap is over that grl cant get down well then she is a frustration.

well i guess i am an ******* by women criteria, ill admit that. anyman who likes and wants sex borders *******, and anyman who goes out and tries to get it is an *******. So i guess i am an *******. but shhh dont tell anyone

love, commitment, and trust sound like things you want when you are getting married and want kids. please i am not that serious about life yet. when i decide to dry out and settle down illl remember those words. I think i will suck the fruit of life for all of its juices before eating it.

clp its not wrong you didnt pressure your grl into having sex. once again, look at my words I NEVER SAID IT WAS WRONG, in fact i never even said the word wrong. Jesus people you need to read appose to infer. I could be friggin contract lawyer. All this forum was asking is what do u find attractive about a grl. I said i think its nice if she will bogey with you. Wham , i got all this protest and outlash from grls and guys who think they are too high and mighty to admit that A) yeah sexual activity is a good thing, and B) I have at one point wanted it. In fact you condem anyone who wants sex etc as shallow, and anyone who does it as a ****. that is all untrue and unfair. Oce again, sex is a natural urge. mayb some of you manage to controll your urges better, or mayb some of you just dont get any urges. But that doesnt mean that the people who get stronger urges and fail to discipline themselves are bad and should be outcasted. you people have turned on yourselves.

oh yeah and btw everyone always responds to what they think i said appose to what i seaid. you must READ my response line for line, because i am very careful about my diction

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Originally posted by benje309:
Worth- your right. Some people forget about love, commitment, and trust...

They don't forget. They just don't care.

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Originally posted by me:

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A highly sexually active girl is not my idea of a good girlfriend.

Otherwise known as a ****.

Wow...they blocked the s word ending with a t with a l and u? I'm surprised.
Worth- your right. Some people forget about love, commitment, and trust...

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Oh yeah and by the way my last non sexual (well very sexually limited) relationship lasted 8 months, and it was unpleasent and I am sortof glad its over (although i am keeping her around for what little perks she did have to offer)

While I'm sure my opinion matters very little to you, I would like to say that me and the Women of America find you to be an ***hole.

If by non-sexual, you mean not having sex: I have had two relationships (am currently still in one), I have not had sex in either of them. One lasted 9 months and a day and my current one has lasted 9 months and 8 days thus far.

They have both been pleasant and fun and have involved lots of concepts that you seem unfamiliar with such as "love" and "commitment" and "trust."

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A highly sexually active girl is not my idea of a good girlfriend.

Otherwise known as a ****.

But to me, and many of my friends, it's not a turn-on. A highly sexually active girl is not my idea of a good girlfriend. Perhaps you've heard of STDs? Perhaps I'm not qualified to give an opinion about this, having had only one girlfriend, but even though we never did anything more than Frenching (and a bit of touchy-feely, I'll admit), it was a wholly pleasant relationship. We had a lot of fun together, without getting intimate. Believe me, I could have pressured her into having sex whenever, but I didn't. Is that so wrong?

Note that I have never said sexual intercourse was necessary. I said things like sexual activity and sexual relationships (ie anything from light foreplay to flat out bondage, whichever extreme you prefer). I never once mentioned sexual intercourse. Oh yeah and by the way my last non sexual (well very sexually limited) relationship lasted 8 months, and it was unpleasent and I am sortof glad its over (although i am keeping her around for what little perks she did have to offer)

I never said anything about not doing the happy medium. I never said be a ho, i never said be a ****, i never said a girl should ****. not once. I just said that being sexually active is a big turn-on to most normal teenage guys.

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Well guess how long prude relationships last. Oh wait they dont even start.

Try six months, bucko, which is how long my last non-sexual relationship lasted.

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Originally posted by AMF8:
No Buddy, it means you dont have that much testosterone. Sex is not shallow douche bag, its a natural urge for a natural thing. You all think sexually intense relationships die fast. Well guess how long prude relationships last. Oh wait they dont even start. I just got out (sortof got out) of dating a prude girl, and all I have to say is why did I waste my time.

There is a happy medium, idiot. You don't have to put out or be a prude. You can be in the middle and do some things with your significant other and just not have sex. It's possible.

And my relationships have lasted very long without sex, possibly even longer than some of yours (though I wouldn't know) and they have been very fulfilling to both people involved.

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Originally posted by clpo13:
I don't look for sex in a relationship. Not yet, at least. I'd much rather have some good clean fun than have sex. Sex is too messy. Is that wrong? Is that abnormal? Of course not. It just means I'm not shallow.

No Buddy, it means you dont have that much testosterone. Sex is not shallow douche bag, its a natural urge for a natural thing. You all think sexually intense relationships die fast. Well guess how long prude relationships last. Oh wait they dont even start. I just got out (sortof got out) of dating a prude girl, and all I have to say is why did I waste my time.

Once again looking for sex and sexual activity is not shallow, it is normal and natural.

also you have to realize when you commit to a girl sexually this weird bond appears, and it is not all that easy to brake

I don't look for sex in a relationship. Not yet, at least. I'd much rather have some good clean fun than have sex. Sex is too messy. Is that wrong? Is that abnormal? Of course not. It just means I'm not shallow.

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Originally posted by AMF8:
If you are a girl, and you really want a certain guy, get down for him and screw around, id be willing to bet hed notice you after that. Girls dont realize what power they have over guys. Your sexuality is a weapon that can be used to exert ultimate control.

all in all an ugly grl who will put out is way better than a hot one who wont. Yeah sure mayb the hot one has the boobs and the *** etc. but what good are they if you cant use them? All of the physical things guys like (boobs, butt, legs) are important to guys because they turn guys on. That stuff makes guys think about sex and get *****. What good are boobs sitting under a perfectly unnecesasry set of clothes?

of course a guy would like to get to know the grl, but if this grl in question is a prude, the guy will lose intrest. Simple.

Or like more than a few guys I know at school, they're going to think I'm a total **** and thus, disposable when the real deal comes along.

If sex is what you use to lure a guy, isn't he going to get bored with just one girl and look for another willing to put it out for him, as you so put it?

In all honesty, I know a lot of couples that got together because the girl's sexually active, but they really haven't lasted...at all.

If you are a girl, and you really want a certain guy, get down for him and screw around, id be willing to bet hed notice you after that. Girls dont realize what power they have over guys. Your sexuality is a weapon that can be used to exert ultimate control.

all in all an ugly grl who will put out is way better than a hot one