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Sex is something that gives you pleasure; so is a pie

Haha. Sex like pie... that's halarious.

Marriage maybe was supposed to last but almost half, if not more than half, of them fail. What does that tell you about marriage?

Sex is a very important part of life, granted it is not reqired but for many it is very important.

My list of things that piss me off was not directed at only you. Just so you know.

I'm not assuming that mariage is everything, but I think it's more important than sex. Sex is something that gives you pleasure; so is a pie. Having it or not having it isn't going to make much of a difference in your immediate life, because once you've eaten it (no pun intended), it's gone. I think marriage is something that is meant to last, and a pie just isn't. *shrugs*

Well yeah, I do want to get married. Maybe it's because I'm not really a physical person in any aspect, but if I never got married I don't think that what I would miss is the sex. I don't think sex is an important part of your life or development. And maybe marriage means crap to you, but it could mean a lot to someone else.

Things that piss me off in the discussion...

1. People assuming marriage is everything
2. People assuming that everying wants to get married
3. People assuming marriage equals maturity

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No, but I don't think you should get married unless you ARE mature

So then you should be against Pre-mature sex not Premarital sex because marriage means crap.

No, but I don't think you should get married unless you ARE mature. You shouldn't make any lifelong committments unless you're mature enough to deal with the consequences, whether that be marriage, tatoos, plastic surgery etc.

Marriage does not make you mature.

Against. I know a lot of people would disagree with me, but I don't think you are actually mature enough to handle sex until you are mature enough to get married. And yes, you can be in love at a young age (I was totally in love a few years ago in 9th grade, I don't doubt that it happens) but the thing about love is that it's just a feeling, and it comes and goes. When you're younger you tend to be more moody, so maybe love is the same as the rest of your emotions, fluctuating depending on your homones and what time of the month it is, and it doesn't really stabalise until you're older. Finding someone that you're compatible with and willing to spend your whole life AND you love is something really rare, and I don't think it makes sense to have sex with everyone else along the way (or anyone else, for that matter).

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Originally posted by LoveTheRainbow:
Everything.

I like that. And you are right. One thing we are all great at(people, that is) is making things more complex than what they really are. I'm not talking about sex or marriage here- because I don't think either one should be taken lightly- but people's attitudes in general towards life.

Everything.

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It's not a big deal unless you make it into one.

What is not a big deal, marriage or love?

It's not a big deal unless you make it into one.

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I find that premarital sex isn't love, it's puppylove, which is entirely different, and sometimes it's not even that, it's selfishness.

Perhaps some instances are like that. But certainly not all.

What point is there to marriage other than certain legal benefits? I would say that love does not require marriage at all.

I see. Well, some people can handle casual sex, others can't. I personally wouldn't be able to do that.

To be honest I don't see a problem with either.

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But that still doesn't make marriage about love.

That is true. A lot of people get married for economic security or for reasons unrelated to love. But it is also true that many people have sex just for the sake of having sex and not because they are in love. I guess it goes both ways.

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I can't think of what they are right now but I know there are.

Tax benifits.

But that still doesn't make marriage about love.

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Or what if you don't believe in any devine being thus making marriage completely pointless?

well it's not pointless if you don't believe in God, there are certain advantages (I guess that's what you'd call them) for married couples as apposed to just a couple. I can't think of what they are right now but I know there are.

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I think if you're going to accept the responsibility with the ability to have sex, you should be mature enough to get MARRIED.

that's not true. And even if it were the case, that you are mature enough, it doesn't mean you'd necessarily want to get married.

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I think if you're going to accept the responsibility with the ability to have sex, you should be mature enough to get MARRIED.

Just to stir the pot...

What if you can't?

Or what if you don't believe in any devine being thus making marriage completely pointless?

Yes, clpo13. Sex (at least pure sex) is about love. But I thought marriage is supposed to be about love too, isn't it? I find that premarital sex isn't love, it's puppylove, which is entirely different, and sometimes it's not even that, it's selfishness. Sometimes one member is involved in personal gratification or pleasure, and the other person just gets left in the dark.

I think if you're going to accept the responsibility with the ability to have sex, you should be mature enough to get MARRIED.

I like your description.

That's a tough question. I think love is best described as putting someone else before you. You'd do anything for that person just to make them happy because seeing them happy makes you happy. You don't ask anything in return and you'll be there for that person no matter what, for as long as you can.

But that's just my opinion, I suppose.