So, we all know it is a sin to be gay. What if you're bi? God designed us to be straight, but if you're bi you still like guys... I personally am not bi, but I have friends who are, and I used to think it was weird, but now I'm fine with it. As a Christian, I don't think I should reject someone as a friend just because they are gay/bi. I don't think any Christian should be discriminatory at all. To me, that would be pushing non-believers away from God. I just wanted to know if I was thinking about this the right way, or if someone can help. Thanks.
So what is it? schizophrenia? the devil? psychopathy?
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Those who partook in activities like you've suggested were not listening to God but to the Leaders of the time who were more interested in power and wealth...
I fully agree with Speed when he answers your question with,
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I choose option two: the devil
The world was corrupted by the introduction of sin through mans choice to believe the Devil rather than God (Genesis), any thing that is contrary to God has its roots firmly in the Devil...I agree too many people within the church blame the Devil directly for anything that goes wrong, he is a temptor, we as people will be judged for what we have chosen to say and do...the devil is not to blame for our choice to do what he tempts us to do...those people that did follow the Leaders of the time have no defence in ignorance or in the fact that they were told to do it, they will be judged for their actions and their own inability to say NO!
The fact that you dont believe in the Devil is your choice...i only pray that God will reveal himself to you prior to your passing away...
Ladies and Gents, i must leave this thread now...i wish you all well, and Shade i will pray that God shows you the truth you so long for...Speed i wish you the best for your life...to all others it has been interesting...thankyou to Danielle5490 for your original post...God bless to all.
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Speed. What I'm trying to ask, is why are you blaming God and his/her followers and completely ignoring the devil? On a side note, I also believe people should take responsibility for their actions. I find it dumb and repetetive that people should blame the devil all the time. But to ignore such a presence (if one acknowledges God) does more harm than good.
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I just read about how hormone changes in the womb might be responsibility for homosexuality in males, but that is during the development phase, not post birth.
What kind of hormone changes? Less testosterone? More, or something else? I've met plenty of gay people who are either feminine or masculine. And what about the others? Bisexual, polysexual?
...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
, that's a common assumption, that something happened "early on in their life" but it's not always the case.
I'm pretty sure it's been demonstrated that people aren't turned gay by incidents in childhood. I just read about how hormone changes in the womb might be responsibility for homosexuality in males, but that is during the development phase, not post birth.
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it is not a sin to be gay/bi. however it is a sin to have gay/bi physical relations.
It's also a sin to have premarital sex, but plenty of Christians do that. Same cup of tea to me.
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reply to original post by a catholic: it is not a sin to be gay/bi. however it is a sin to have gay/bi physical relations. other than that i totally agree with you we should not reject anyone we are all brothers and sisters of the same God.
I find it hard enough to believe in one supernatural power, the existence of another one solely dedicated to corrupting us and guideing us towards sin is a little overboard.
Well that's your problem, I guess. I believe in them. Would you rather I said it was the evils of the human spirit? If you're so ready to blame something on God, or blame people for their flaws and they're Christian, why not blame it on the devil? You seem a bit one sided to me.
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the Bible was written by men (even if inspiration came from God), and they were likely to inject their own opinions into what they were writing.
I hear you.
Burtneyann, that's a common assumption, that something happened "early on in their life" but it's not always the case. I don't see how people can assume something like that for everyone, and I don't understand how people think one method of "curing" will work for every individual.
...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
its a calling from god and you are put in these peoples lifes for a reason ...to help them they are probobly confused with their sexuality because of something that happened early in their life and you may not realize but you are their positive influence and it may take a long time but they will come to know god all it takes is persistance and love never turn them away because of their oreintation
If you feel you're being willed by someone to do something, the most obvious answer is God, but like Java said, you need to test it against the bible, always.
That would make sense...if it was certain that the Bible came straight from God and was exactly as he intended it. However, the Bible was written by men (even if inspiration came from God), and they were likely to inject their own opinions into what they were writing.
Besides, it's all about interpretation when it comes to the Bible. It's hardly the clearest book. When it says "don't murder," a person could easily take that to mean "don't murder good Christian people." Or they could view killing non-Christians as something other than murder. Purification is one word I've heard used. Now, I know and you know that murder by any other name is still murder, but some people are deluded enough to think God's telling them to do something that they also think the Bible justifies. The interesting thing is that you can't really tell them that they're wrong because you have no way to prove that your interpretation of the Bible is right. They don't have proof either, but they're crazy enough to think they don't need it.
Hopefully that made sense. Basically, it all rests on whether or not the Bible is the absolute, unsullied word of God.
I find it hard enough to believe in one supernatural power, the existence of another one solely dedicated to corrupting us and guideing us towards sin is a little overboard.
They don't know who they're listening to. If you feel you're being willed by someone to do something, the most obvious answer is God, but like Java said, you need to test it against the bible, always. If it contradicts something there, it's from someone else.. I choose option two: the devil.
...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
Yeah, god's got a plan for all of us, everything that happens fits into his plan, so if i killed those children wouldn't it actually be gods plan? in which case, there wouldn't be anything wrong with murder would there?
Speed, your argument is flawed, the Bible (Gods Word) states Murder is a sin...so No murder wouldnt be ok...as for Gods plan for your life, God has one but wont force it on you...you get to choose whether you want to follow it!
Anyone who does something not inline with scripture (the Bible, Gods Word) and then says it was the will of God, is not walking in the plan God has for them and also not hearing God...and is delusional at best if they believe God is telling them to do it...
If any christian believes God is speaking to them telling them to do something the bible tells them clearly to test that against scripture...if it is contradictory to scripture then it is not from God!
Hopefully that clears your misunderstanding up...
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I guess this is how inquisitors justified burning and torturing people.
Also you are right people who went around doing the above may have said '...we are doing Gods will...' But they weren't!!! If they only read or listened to the bible being read they would know that God doesn't want any to perish he is a forgiving God, Jesus taught forgiveness...Those who partook in activities like you've suggested were not listening to God but to the Leaders of the time who were more interested in power and wealth...
What if you believed it was God's will you killed those children?
Yeah, god's got a plan for all of us, everything that happens fits into his plan, so if i killed those children wouldn't it actually be gods plan? in which case, there wouldn't be anything wrong with murder would there?
I guess this is how inquisitors justified burning and torturing people.
It's not changing, speed. The requirements are still the same. The only change that has happened is Jesus, and before that they had a guide for salvation..
If you murdered children and repented, no. Because you're not Christian. You wouldn't do it if you were Christian in the first place. I don't think you see how it works. When you become Christian, you start to change. You'd never do anything like that. The faith has nothing to do with saying sorry at the end and being okay, because if you have the Spirit of god in you, you'd never do it.
...a Wandering Star for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever...
YES IT HAS CHANGED AND IT WILL CONTINUE TO DO SO. CAN SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLAIN THIS??? HOW COME BEING CHRISTIAN 600 YEARS AGO ISN'T THE SAME AS BEING A CHRISTIAN TODAY IF GOD'S TEACHING ARE UNIVERSAL AND INFALIBLE???
Are you deliberately avoiding the answer?
And as for repenting, could I murder 50 little children and then go to heaven if I felt sorry for it? So in essence christianity is about doing whatever you want and then just saying sorry at the end?
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