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Registered: January 03, 2002
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i found this and would like for you all to read

This can be found @ www.lifecall.org

Dear Lifecall Friends,

Over the 16 years of doing my prolife work, rarely have I seen a piece of literature effect a woman contemplating an abortion as much as the following. I don't remember who gave it to me but I hope you might read it and share it with those you think appropriate. God bless you and strengthen you for all you do to help His innocent preborn children who sleep within their mothers' womb.

Your Sister in Christ Jesus,

Kathy DiFiore,
Founder
Several Sources Shelters


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Diary of a Preborn Child

In response to a two week Prolife Seminar Pastor Craig ran for youth, he wrote the following article entitled "Diary Of A Preborn Child" May you hear God, Our Heavenly Father, speaking to your hearts as you read this:

October 5 -- Today my life began. My parents do not know it yet. I am as small as a seed of an apple, but it is I already. And I am to be a girl. I shall have blond hair and blue eyes! Just about everything is settled though, even the fact that I love flowers.

October 19 -- Some say that I am not a real person yet, that only my mother exists. But I am a real person,just as a small crumb of bread is yet truly bread. My mother is. And I am.

October 23 -- My mouth is just beginning to open now. Just think, in a year or so I shall be laughing and later talking. I know what my first word will be: MAMA.

November 2 -- I am growing a bit every day. My arms and legs are beginning to take shape. But I have to wait a long time before those little legs will raise me to my mother's arms, before these little arms will be able to gather flowers and embrace my father.

November 12 -- Tiny fingers are beginning to form on my hands. Funny how small they are! I'll be able to stroke my mother's hair with them.

Preborn Child 11 weeks after Conception

November 20 -- It wasn't until today that the doctor told mom that I am living under her heart. Oh, how happy she must be! Are you happy, mom?

November 25 -- My mom and dad are probably thinking about a name for me. But they don't even know that I am a girl. I want to be called Mary. I am getting so big already.

December 10 -- My hair is growing. It is smooth and bright and shiny. I wonder what kind of hair mom has.

December 13 -- I am just about to see. It is dark around me. When mom brings me into the world it will be full of sunshine and flowers. But what I want to more than anything is to see my mom. How do you look, Mom?

December 24 -- I wonder if mom hears the whispering of my heart? Some children come into the world a little sick. But my heart is strong and healthy. It beats so evenly; tup-tup, tup-tup. You'll have a healthily little daughter, mom!

December 28 -- Today my mother aborted me.


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Together, Dear Lifecall Friends, let us pray for all the mothers and fathers contemplating abortion this day. Let us do all we can to help them choose life for their preborn children. May God Bless and Inspire You for Caring.

In Christ's Love,
Kathy DiFiore

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Registered: September 06, 2003
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adolf hitler and jesus being aborted are very good points. how are you going to determine whether the baby you are going to abort is going to be important to our society or a bad thing? that just goes to show that you can't be the one to determine what will/would have happen/ed to your kid. good grief. what if someone aborted like the person who was supposed to ensure world peace? we could have really screwed up our society or improved it by aborting all the kids we have. lol.
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I really don't think the point of this "diary" was to say that a baby can or cannot write. That answer is obious. I think everyone knows that this was fictional...it was just tryint to get across a damn point.
me


I'm not stupid. I know that it's fictonal.

Evy
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Yeah yeah, true true, but I have decided last night that I can have this theory and still think I'm right, because well that is the theory. So go on saying things are subjective, I certainly am now.



and why are people talking about how the baby could write? I don't think that is the point of this 'journal'.
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what if jesus had been aborted?

true true
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What if Adolf Hitler had been aborted?

lmao. good point.
me
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What if Adolf Hitler had been aborted?
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omg thats a sad story. we need to vote AGAINSTR abortion b/c murder is illegal no matter how young the person is.

what if jesus had been aborted?
Xia
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I think the thought behind that diary was nice, but it was completely wrong. Babies do not develop that quickly. I hope that story does not guide anyone away from the choice to abort.
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it really is weird when people make stupid comments calling other things stupid.

Said as the Fountain of Irony overflows...

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and while it's mind and body are snot

That made me laugh. Sorry for taking it out of context. I know it was a typo.

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Think of it like this: is a maniquin human? No. Why? Does it have a beating heart? Does it have a brain? IS IT LIVING? DOES IT HAVE A SPIRIT? NO?

Or, because it's plastic.

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screw that, how could the baby write any of it? Is the baby born with writing skills? If it is, then what's the point of teaching us. Also, is there a pencil and a notebook inside the woman? If there was, how uncomftorble would that be?

If I knew that my unborn child was writing a journal inside of me, I'd abort it. That'd be creepy. I sort of assumed that the fetus was scratching the words into the mother's uterine lining, with it's underdeveloped fingernails.
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Hey dj, just because it's subjective doesn't make it void. Depends on your personal definition of subjective, but in my opinion, every single idea a person holds to be true is subjective.




Then this opinion would be subjective and now you have shot yourself in the foot before you even started. This is called relativism and you might want to be careful with this philosophy, it has a tendency to fall flat on its face.
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Hey dj, just because it's subjective doesn't make it void. Depends on your personal definition of subjective, but in my opinion, every single idea a person holds to be true is subjective. Even things that you or I believe have been completely proven, someone may disagree with, making it opinion. People who believe in evolution think it is completely 100% objective, it has been proven, there is no other way, but others disagree. What is considered actual truth changes from person to person, so really isn't truth all in people's heads? I'm not saying you should accept everyone's opinion as true...by all means, I will continue thinking I'm right and others are wrong and you should too...but dismissing an argument because it is subjective is, well, subjective. Damn it I did that a lot. I came up with this theory yesterday and it ruins my whole debating technique. Damn it. I'm sorry I'm going to go have a breakdown.
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I really don't think the point of this "diary" was to say that a baby can or cannot write. That answer is obious. I think everyone knows that this was fictional...it was just tryint to get across a damn point.
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The thing would be dead, so she couldn't write this entry


screw that, how could the baby write any of it? Is the baby born with writing skills? If it is, then what's the point of teaching us. Also, is there a pencil and a notebook inside the woman? If there was, how uncomftorble would that be?

Evy
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wait, wait, wait. you are saying that not all humans have souls?

I didn't say that, I was saying that the premise of your argument, that all humans have souls, is a based on subjectivity. There is no objective proof for the existence of a soul, which therefore makes the premise of your argument illogical and null in void.

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r we just like them but with more brain power?

Yes because I don't believe in a soul, which therefore means the only difference between us and other animals is biological one. We are the same as any other living creature, we are animals.
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wait, wait, wait. you are saying that not all humans have souls? how is whether it has a spirit irrelevant or not a logical objection? it doesn't matter if something has a spirit or not? a fish, a cat, a dog, a squirrel, a llama, doesnt have a spirit. r we just like them but with more brain power?
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oooooooo..

i know lots of stuff like this...
i even read a soliloqouy of an aborted child,,hehe
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it really is weird when people make stupid comments calling other things stupid.

Good point maybe you listen to it yourself!!!



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was that the fetus has a spirit

The concept of a spirit is totally and utterly subjective, which is irrelevant in a debate. The intention of a debate is to provide OBJECTIVE information and follow rules of logic, and the idea of a soul is not an objective concept, which therefore makes it a violation of logic. Therefore your argument is deemed irrelevant due to subjectivity and going outside of basic principals of logic.
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And all the same, it's simply emotional propaganda... all pathos, no logos. I don't really give a damn about the point but they're attempting to make it in a simplistic manner, which is irritating.
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DUDE, ok, uh, you guys DID NOT get the POINT of that! DUH, OF COURSE THE BABY DIDN'T WRITE IT. IT DOESN'T MATTER IF IT SAYS IT WAS ABBORTED BECAUSE IT WOULD BE DEAD. IT COULDN'T EVEN HAVE WRITTEN THAT IT WAS ALIIIIIVE BECAUSE IT ISN'T BOOOOORN YET. *calms down*. it really is weird when people make stupid comments calling other things stupid. the point, was that the fetus has a spirit like all other humans, and while it's mind and body are snot fully formed yet, it is still a human with a human heart, human fingers, hands, arms, legs, feet, and brain. It doesn't matter if they function or not, it has a SPIRIT and it is still HUMAN. If someone has severe brain damage, they still have a SPIRIT and they are still HUMAN. If someone is deformed, they are still HUMAN. The diary was made to get the point across that the baby is still HUMAN, and killing it with aborion is just like killing someone with brain damage or a disability where they can't defend themselves. Sure people will protest over a family removing their daughter's feeding tube because she has permanent brain damage, they will protest when someone is given the death penalty, but where are they when an un-born baby is given the death penalty? Where are they when a life is taken away. It doesn't matter if they can pull together thoughts, they are human. Killing the baby in the womb is no different than killing the baby after it is born. Why do you think Scott Petterson is being pressed for charges with the murder of his wife AND unborn son? Because the child was still a human, and it was murder. I'm from California so I have been hearing a lot about the Scott Petterson case which I think has a lot to do with this topic. I'm sure some of you have heard of that case as well. Think of it like this: is a maniquin human? No. Why? Does it have a beating heart? Does it have a brain? IS IT LIVING? DOES IT HAVE A SPIRIT? NO? Well there ya go. How else do you qualify a human? Think of your definition of a human, and then think about a feutus. Find any differences? I didn’t think so.
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Hmmm...the stupidity of that made me want to vomit.

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December 28 -- Today my mother aborted me.

The thing would be dead, so she couldn't write this entry. This stuff is ****.
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