Ok, started this for a personal debate with newcomer vegan_sas. We'll take it from there.

Vegan you can start by stating you're reason you are a vegan.

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but that ad is kinda offensive.

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Note the source.

I'm part-vegan (5 daya a week I'm vegan, for sports/religous issues), and i think people should NOT stop eating animals, but that ad is kinda offensive.

anyways, little pigs arent about to extint or anything, so why should we worry about killing them so much?

Vegan_Sas: As a fellow vegan, I must say it really does not make us(vegans) look good when you attempt to debate with somebody, get asked to provide links to your "facts", and then fail to do so; no offense, but perhaps you should research veganism a bit more before you try to argue in the name of it?

untill whales learn to vote, politicians won't really care. i like vegans. the less demand there is for meat the cheaper i can get it.



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Wow. You really don't give us 14 year olds a good name do you? For one. Stop talking in CAPS. IT IS ANNOYING

Secondly, debating with people older than you is okay. You don't like it? go to another board. This is Youthnoise. Anyone who is youth can be here. dir.

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NO I'm not coping and pasting! Look your just mad cuz what I'm telling u need to chill and just listen every once in a while

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Sounds like you need to chill huh?

YAH WELL I JUST DON'T THINK THAT A 19 WOULD BE ARGUING WITH A 14 YEAR OLD IF HE HAD NO LIFE AND WAS NOTHING. MY SISTER IN COLLEGE AND SHE WOULDN'T BE CAUGHT DEAD ARGUING WITH A 14 YEAR OLD SO DUDE GROW UP!

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NOw good bye and good day 2 u.

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look i have 2 go, but hopefully we can finish this another time.

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This is not a chat room.

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ANd how old are u like what 19 and here u are having it out with a 14 year old I'm sorry but thats just wrong!

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What? Because I'm trying to get you to think?

Ah, if anyone else out there sees this, it was early in the morning and I was bored.

WOW IT WAS ALMOST THE SAME BIG WOW AND DO U REALLY THINK I COULD HAVE GOT IT ALL THAT FAST NO I DON'T THINK SO BUDDY I'VE STUDIED ABOUT THIS FOR ABOUT 3 YEARS AND U ARE PROBABLY JUST LOOKING UP THIS INFO. SO LIKE I SAID GOOD BYE AND GOOD DAY.

NOw good bye and good day 2 u.

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NO I'm not coping and pasting! Look your just mad cuz what I'm telling u need to chill and just listen every once in a while

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I googled part of you're last post about bone density. Here's the results:

Google search

Notice the first page is from PETA and states you're paragraph almost exactly

If u don't want to be a vegan I don't care I can care less your the one thats gonna die soon not me and thats good cuz your gonna help decrease the population which is a good thing. I want to be a vegan thats my choice not yours. ANd how old are u like what 19 and here u are having it out with a 14 year old I'm sorry but thats just wrong!

NO I'm not coping and pasting! Look your just mad cuz what I'm telling u need to chill and just listen every once in a while

look i have 2 go, but hopefully we can finish this another time.

It's obvious you're just freaking posting BS things copy/pasted off of some vegan website.

Now explain to me, is the amount of calcium used to neutralize the acid in the blood more than the amount of calcium absorbed from the food itself? How exactly does meat increase the pH of the body? Do you understand the points you are putting out there? Why haven't you tried to counter any of the facts I've posted?

http://www.mercola.com/2002/feb/16/vegetarianism_myths_05.htm

Meat raise the acid level in human blood, causing calcium to be excreted from the bones to restore the body"s natural pH balance. This calcium depletion results in osteoporosis. COntrary to the common belief that dairy and meats products are necessary to prevent osteoporosis, it actually increase the likeliness of this crippling dsease.

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Meat contains 14 times more pesticides than plant foods

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Give me a source. Which pesticides? Is that by weight, by volume, by caloric intake? How about the fact that meat INHERENTLY does not contain pesticides, but that the problem is actually farming practices? Come on, don't just post a random factoid you grabbed off of some propganda site. Give me a challange.

Meat contains 14 times more pesticides than plant foods

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The National Cancer Research Institute found that women who eat meat on a DAILY BASIS are almost 4 times more likely to get breast cancer than those women who eat little or no meat.

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This is one study. One study can be wrong. The study you mention also only looks at meat consumption and completely leaves out any other factors that may lead to cancer. I will respond with a chart based upon various studies showing the nutrutional value of a meat-inclusive diet:

The National Cancer Research Institute found that women who eat meat on a DAILY BASIS are almost 4 times more likely to get breast cancer than those women who eat little or no meat. ANd no i don't do dairy products and i don't use leather what kind of person do u take me 4?