I support abortion. One of the main problems in the world is overpopulation. If abortion became illeagal, what would happen then???

Also, I bet all of you who think that abortion is sooo bad have never met a teen mother. If a 12 year old girl is a victim of rape, should she have to keep the baby just because you think its unfair? Should a mother in poverty have to have her third or fourth child when she can't afford it? You obviously aren't being sensitive to other's problems. There ARE reasons why people have abortions. They don't just do it for fun. You know, maybe they want to graduate high school but they can't do it with a baby! Maybe they can't afford a baby! Maybe they are unhealthy and know they will have a unhealthy baby!

Truth is, if someone has an abortion it's b/c they know they can't offer the baby a good home. Either there are already too manykids an they wont get any attention. Maybe the family can't afford another mouth to feed. Maybe they are drug addicts!! Stopping the baby from dying wont solve its problems, it will give them a life of new ones.

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But when a mother is pregnant, she cannot simply transfer the fetus to someone else if she is sick or cannot care for the child inside of her.

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True, but an embryo CAN, and if the mother has been messing around without protection, she should probably test often whether she is pregnant. If so, the embryo can be removed, frozen, and transferred to someone who CAN take the baby.

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I look forward to the day when I find something I care about enough to debate w/ Gem over. It seems fun, but I never get to do it. Ah, well.

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Just throw up a topic your interested in, and I'll intervene with my powers of intimidating people, it seems.

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Just a tip when the day comes, cleverly put cheese into your arguement, it will either win her over or distract her from the point.

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Mmm, cheese..

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Honestly gem, I think i am rubbing off on you, maybe little

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If I'm lucky, you have.

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The thing is, I don't debate to win. I debate to understand, so I rarely find myself wishing a person would "tag someone else."

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Well, the point of debating is to voice your opinion and become more open-minded, so if you refuse to compromise your views on anything, you're doing a poor job of debating. That is, unless you're a politic.

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And I actually think Gem is nice. She's sort of sweet. But no one else seems to think so. (No offense). Love, Jen.

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You know, someone actually told me that in the second or third grade when I was an adorable little kiddie. Hmm.. I have no idea what happened..

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except for a few times with Gem when I am thinkin to myself "hopesfully someone will say something really stupid and gem will forget she was talkin to me" lol

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Well.. you better stick to distracting me with cheese.

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Cheese is so delicious. Especially that Velveeta Mac and Cheese. Screw candy, I'll take some cheese cubes.

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Next time you're arguing with Gem and getting trashed, I'll say something really, really, dumb to distract her. And when I finally get to debate her, you can step in and yell something about cheese. Then we'll be even

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Wow, I think I've made a mark on this site that will be remembered for years to come: "Gemini: trashiest debater on YN."

Actually, it doesn't sound too bad, eh?

Heh. You know what I hate? When I say something really sarcastic and act like a know-it-all and then I'm wrong. But I always try to admit it. One of my goals in life is to see everything in shades of gray. I do not want to have one opinion left that hasn't been questioned. Next time you're arguing with Gem and getting trashed, I'll say something really, really, dumb to distract her. And when I finally get to debate her, you can step in and yell something about cheese. Then we'll be even. But seriously, to me the truth is much more important than winning or being right, and the best way to find it is to listen to someone who disagrees with you and ask questions. That's my opinion anyway. Love, Jen.

I am the exact same way Jen.

except for a few times with Gem when I am thinkin to myself "hopesfully someone will say something really stupid and gem will forget she was talkin to me" lol

But Jen I guess what we really do is not debate, but learn from other poeple, learn why they feel the way the do and how they got to the conclusions they got to.

Were not born being right about everything, you got ask and challange to get to the truth from both sides of the plate. Those who do are not concerned about finding the truth are not concerned with the truth.

I'm very nice too. Until I unleash my Claws of DEATH! Er, right. Anyway. The thing is, I don't debate to win. I debate to understand, so I rarely find myself wishing a person would "tag someone else." It's also why I was never joined debate team. I would always be like, "That's right! I see your point." And then everyone would stare at me, making it painfully obvious that I was not supposed to do that. But I digress. So I shall stop typing now. And I actually think Gem is nice. She's sort of sweet. But no one else seems to think so. (No offense). Love, Jen.

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Well, you're not stupid either, Korith. If you were, I wouldn't bother debating with you.

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Honestly gem, I think i am rubbing off on you, maybe little

And see their people, she can be nice if you are nice (and not simply neutral, or mean)

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It seems fun

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Fun in the same way running fom "It' in a tag game.

You really just end up hoping she tags someone else.

Just a tip when the day comes, cleverly put cheese into your arguement, it will either win her over or distract her from the point.

I look forward to the day when I find something I care about enough to debate w/ Gem over. It seems fun, but I never get to do it. Ah, well.

Well, you're not stupid either, Korith. If you were, I wouldn't bother debating with you.

But does everyone truly view me as some type of insensitive, callous beast, as you describe? If so, then maybe they're on the right track.

If people dislike me, more power to them. I'm focused on debating and going off on tangents about the satisfying taste of cheese. I can be wrong, and when I realize that, I'll correct myself and/or apologize. That's part of debating.

If you all are too easily offended, maybe your time would best be spent eating thumb tacks.

Gem believe as long as it doesn't offend her it is ok.

But that point aside, her ability to hold her own in a debate is verenable. And if you think other wise, you'll be chewed up and spit out.

I've already pointed out gem is Not stupid, so people should not disagree with her for the sake of trying to make her think she might be wrong.

If you can see threw the douchebaggery you learn allot from her.

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I'm not jumping on Gem for her opinion, I'm talking about the way she responds. In a debate Lavinnia, you present your case with respect for your opponents. Happy Halloween!

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I reply in a disrespectful manner? If I do, deal with it. Erm, excuse me; that wasn't reverential. How about.. "I appreciate your subtle annotations despite the fact that it makes no impact on my method of response?"

LaVinna: I apparently need some personal instruction on courteousness. Would you be so kind as to provide lessons for me?

If you could only see me curtsey.

Halloween makes me bitter. I swear if my doorbell rings one more time...

I'm not jumping on Gem for her opinion, I'm talking about the way she responds. In a debate Lavinnia, you present your case with respect for your opponents. Happy Halloween!

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I really wish that you respect other's opinions. Your "rebuttals" show how close-minded you are, and you need to at least take in to consideration other's thoughts on the subject.

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I do respect others' opinions; I simply share different views on the subject. And if you believe I'm close-minded, that's fine. But specify your discrepancies next time.

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So when my mother becomes dependant on me for survival I can kill her instead?

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Your mother will never be inside your body, feeding off the nutrients you supply her.. at least I seriously hope not. Children (after being conceived) are dependent on their mother in a different sense. They could live without her because someone else could take care of them and provide them food and shelter and all their necessities. But when a mother is pregnant, she cannot simply transfer the fetus to someone else if she is sick or cannot care for the child inside of her.

i think that they are trying to outlaw partial birth abortions in my state.

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Also, not everyone has a "creator," so this argument, although it'd hold up 200+ years ago, is not very valid.

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Jefferson didn't even want to write that part. It was one of the last lines added.

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still dependent on the mother for means of survival.

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So when my mother becomes dependant on me for survival I can kill her instead?

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Some even apply their salutary neglect philosophies here: live and let live, or, "as long as the baby is not harming you, let him/her live."

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And "Its my body i'll do what I want" -- "No harm no faul"

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In any case, I don't see how gem's having a different view of "life" is close minded.

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I think gem has the right idea.

If people lestion to her many they would learn something.

She might be haughty but not stupid but a long shot.

She's my Georgia Peach

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you need to at least take in to consideration other's thoughts on the subject.

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That's a very good way to lose a debate..


In any case, I don't see how gem's having a different view of "life" is close minded.

I really wish that you respect other's opinions. Your "rebuttals" show how close-minded you are, and you need to at least take in to consideration other's thoughts on the subject.

-Creamerkitty

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"We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."
....it says that everyone is CREATED equal...not just born equal...that means from the time they are formed in the womb they have the UNALIENABLE right of life.....

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Note: Jefferson really wrote inalienable rights in the Declaration of Independence (I made an entire thread about it). And is the child considered a person in the womb, or after conception? The child in the womb is considered a fetus; still dependent on the mother for means of survival. Therefore, the mother has the choice to do whatever she wants to her body. I don’t agree with abortion (although there are certain circumstances where it is inevitable), because taking the life of anyone isn’t morally right, unless in the best interest of mother and child. Also, not everyone has a "creator," so this argument, although it'd hold up 200+ years ago, is not very valid. Some even apply their salutary neglect philosophies here: live and let live, or, "as long as the baby is not harming you, let him/her live."