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Picture of Creamerkitty
Registered: July 07, 2003
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Two to three weeks after a baby is conceived, there is brain activity. If there is brain activity, the unborn child is considered a human being. If an abortion takes place it's considered murder in my book, which is breaking one of the Ten Commandments. Everything happens for a reason. Sometimes the reason isn't always clear, but there is a reason for things to happen. Wink
Registered: October 02, 2002
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Here I go again. The rape thing, yeah that has to be tough, but the girl should have the baby and then put it up for adoption if she dosen't want it.


In some ways giving your baby up for adoption is harder than an abortion... in an abortion, it's not a baby yet, it doesn't have feelings, it's just a fetus, and of course there are some regrets and grief, but it's just a tiny speck right now. But after you've had the baby, and it's your own flesh and blood, you see it and know it has feelings, it even looks a bit like you, isn't that so much harder to give up? You can't just say "give it up for adoption"... that's so unimaginably hard, not everyone can go through that.

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Some people are just irresponsible. They don't use protection and should deal with the consequences. Yes, there are "accidents", but again here's where adoption comes in. I know some mothers don't have the heart to give the baby up, but they can make adjustments if they really wanted the child.


And what about the mother who already has too many kids and just can't support another no matter what she does? And she can't put her child up for adoption... what's she going to tell her other kids? She was pregnant for nine months, and comes home... without the baby. What will she tell them? Will they have any respect for her anymore? You can't do that. You just can't.

And "but they can make adjustments if they really wanted the child"?? the point is, if they were considering abortion or adoption, they DON"T really want the child. and no, you can't always make arangments, welfare really doesn't cover that much. Basically, if you're a mother with too many mouths to feed, you can't give it up for adoption, because that's just wrong. And by having that other baby, not only are you putting that baby at risk for not enough food, no attention, no room in the house, but you are doing it to every other child you have. In some cases there isn't any way out.
Picture of Korith
Registered: August 09, 2003
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25.5% of women deciding to have an abortion want to postpone childbearing
21.3% of women cannot afford a baby<
14.1% of women have a relationship issue or their partner does not want a child
12.2% of women are too young (their parents or others object to the pregnancy)
10.8% of women feel a child will disrupt their education or career
7.9% of women want no (more) children
3.3% of women have an abortion due to a risk to fetal health
2.8% of women have an abortion due to a risk to maternal health

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Truth is, if someone has an abortion it's b/c they know they can't offer the baby a good home. Either there are already too manykids an they wont get any attention. Maybe the family can't afford another mouth to feed. Maybe they are drug addicts!! Stopping the baby from dying wont solve its problems, it will give them a life of new ones.
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Registered: July 07, 2003
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Here I go again. The rape thing, yeah that has to be tough, but the girl should have the baby and then put it up for adoption if she dosen't want it. Some people are just irresponsible. They don't use protection and should deal with the consequences. Yes, there are "accidents", but again here's where adoption comes in. I know some mothers don't have the heart to give the baby up, but they can make adjustments if they really wanted the child. Cool
Registered: October 02, 2002
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For example rape, as horrible as it is, can be easily prevented. If you are so worried about being raped, then you shouldnt put yourself in the position where it is possible. There are was to prevent it.


oh really? enlighten us about them, please, I'm sure it would help a lot of people... I know my friend didn't "put herself in a position to be raped"... just like people don't put themselves in a position to be murdered, robbed, or kidnapped.

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If someone puts themself in the position to be raped, then they should have to deal with the consequences. Abortion is just an inhuman excuse to hide your mistakes.


"hide your mistakes"? are you crazy? being raped is not a mistake, it's a horrible thing to happen to people that you obviously know nothing about.
Registered: October 02, 2002
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A lot of the arguments you made are valid, but a lot are just plain stupid.

First of all of all, people who said that they should be practicing safe sex, well, some of them probably do... it's only 90-something% effective.

Secondly, You can't say "well they shouldn't've had sex anyway"... do you really think anyone will listen to that? Do you know how many people that don't want kids have sex? SO many people do it, and making abortion illegal will not stop it at all.
And you're totally forgetting rape victims. You can't tell them it was their fault, they should've known better!!! Are you going to say to them "you must have that baby"?, and every time they look into their face, they'll remember the worst day of your life? Is that truely healthy? Of course not.

Also, maybe you don't think abortion's right, so don't do it... but don't force others to follow your own morals. This is a free country, is it not? It might be against your religion, you might've been taught differently, but not everyone. I'm not pro-abortion, i'm pro-choice. It's none of your buisness.

Oh, and another thing: when we're talking about pro-choice, it means before the baby's alive, which means before its heart starts beating. I totally agree that late-abortion is wrong.
Registered: January 11, 2003
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there is no way i could support something that takes the live of another person. Abortion is so wrong, no matter the circumstance. For example rape, as horrible as it is, can be easily prevented. If you are so worried about being raped, then you shouldnt put yourself in the position where it is possible. There are was to prevent it. Just like another person has already said, "amazingly, sex can get you pregnant" i know i know, the miracle of science. And even if you are using a condom, there is still a chance. If someone has sex, or puts themself in the position to be raped, then they should have to deal with the consequences. Abortion is just an inhuman excuse to hide your mistakes.
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Registered: March 21, 2003
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Doesn't a fetus have a right to be inside the body of the woman?
A fetus does not have a right to be in the womb of any woman, but is there by her permission. This permission may be revoked by the woman at any time, because her womb is part of her body. Permissions are not rights. There is no such thing as the right to live inside the body of another, i.e. there is no right to enslave.


Riiiiggghhhhttt..... and how about a five year old kid? The parents own the house that the kid lives in, so i guess if they don't give the permission for the kid to live there anymore they could just throw them out in the streets and let it starve to death, or to put it out of it's misery just shoot it in the head.

You are seriously inhumane, what you said is absolutely ridiculously cruel. You're absolutely blessed that your mother was a "permissive" person, maybe you should have a little more of a positive outlook on things and you won't be as depressed as you say you are.
Registered: April 04, 2003
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say you are young, have no responsibility and you're expected to take care of a kid...On top of that go through 9 months carrying the baby...THATS MESSED UP..I am 15 and have NO INTEREST in having kids...I would go for the abortion. I'll admit, i've had sex but I REFUSE TO GET PREGNANT.

Ok, Bye
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Registered: December 30, 2001
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Oh, please.

I'll repeat it: If I'd been aborted, I wouldn't know. So no, I wouldn't have a problem with that. What I would have a problem with is if I'd know I'd been brought into the world nwanted. I'm depressed enough as it is.

From www.abortionisprolife.com/

Doesn't a fetus have a right to be inside the body of the woman?
A fetus does not have a right to be in the womb of any woman, but is there by her permission. This permission may be revoked by the woman at any time, because her womb is part of her body. Permissions are not rights. There is no such thing as the right to live inside the body of another, i.e. there is no right to enslave. Contrary to the opinion of anti-abortion activists (falsely called "pro-lifers" as they are against the right to life of the actual human being involved) a woman is not a breeding pig owned by the state (or church). Even if a fetus were developed to the point of surviving as an independent being outside the pregnant woman's womb, the fetus would still not have the right to be inside the woman's womb.

What applies to a fetus, also applies to a physically dependent adult. If an adult—say a medical welfare recipient—must survive by being connected to someone else, they may only do so by the voluntary permission of the person they must be connected to. There is no such thing as the right to live by the efforts of someone else, i.e., there is no such thing as the right to enslave.

As for adoptin, I include a link of a serarch I did for adoption centers. With so many centers, so many of them being full... I wonder how you have the haert to add more to the list : http://dir.yahoo.com/Business_and_Economy/Shopping_and_Services/Children/Adoption/Adoption_Agencies/


Children waiting to be adopted (older or with specail needs. And my my, look how people are standing in line to adopt them): http://www.capbook.org/children.html
Picture of prettyinpunk016
Registered: March 30, 2003
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Go Breexox!
Cool
Registered: March 06, 2003
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Okay....

I respect everyone's opinions...but how would yall feel if you were that baby who hadn't been born. How would you feel if you never had the chance to live because someone else couldn't handle it? Who has the right to decide who lives or dies in this world? You don't kill people simply because they don't meet the standards. You don't destroy the weak do you? No.
Registered: April 08, 2003
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okay as a Christian here is what I have to say about abortion...in reply to the excuses you gave...first and fore most WAKE UP abortion is not to control the population!!! That is why we have pills..shots..patches..birth control..or abstinance. The only situation where I personally belive abortion is okay is if the mothers life is indanger. If someone is poor and pregnant....adoption..teen pregnancy...adoption...the rape thing is hard I can relate somewhat but I still dont think the baby should be aborted. Im sure there are people who disagree ..but thats just the way I feel.
Picture of ShiningStar
Registered: February 26, 2003
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Adoption, Adoption, Adoption!!
I beleive that abortion is only an answer when there are severe health risks to the mother, and having the baby could be fatal. Murder is not a solution for overpopulation. And the mother in poverty? ADOPTION!!!!!!!!
Registered: April 07, 2003
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Many people debate over abortion but until you have been in the shoes of the person you can't decide what is right or wrong for them. Many say adoption, in some cases that might be the way to go but in the end it isn't anyones descision besides the parents. I believe they need to decide on a solution TOGETHER but no one can be in there shoes EVER. Before you go off screaming about your judgements of abortion take a step back and give a thanks that your not in the position to have to make this descion. A child can not grow without its mother, so during the that time it is her choice what is right. MANY people who scream and judge have NEVER had to ever even consider making this choice. So I know you might have strong feelings regarding the issues but remember circumstances is the key to understanding.
Picture of Songbird3000
Registered: September 18, 2002
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>>>I support abortion. One of the main problems in the world is overpopulation. If abortion became illeagal, what would happen then??? <<<<

ok wel maybe people should STOP HAVING SEX or they shoould USE PROTECTION. Um, doi.

Lots of love,
Lynne
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Registered: March 21, 2003
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I bet all of you who think that abortion is sooo bad have never met a teen mother.


Actually, i live in a school with about 3% of my class being teen mothers... and they are all pretty happy about it. They may have to work a bit harder than the average teenager, but unlike most of the united states, they actually take responsibility for their actions instead of blaming things on the circumstances.

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If a 12 year old girl is a victim of rape, should she have to keep the baby just because you think its unfair?



Rape is a terrible thing, and that 12 year old is going to have to live with that forever. Killing the child that was concieved is not going to take away that pain, all that it is going to do is cause more pain knowing that she killed a child. I don't know if you have ever actually read interviews with people that had been in this circumstances, but the mast majority of them are extremely regretful for killing their child.

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Should a mother in poverty have to have her third or fourth child when she can't afford it?


A mother in poverty that can't afford another child should keep her legs closed. Seriously... there are consequences for your actions, and amazingly enough, it has been proven that having sex can get girl pregnant (stunning isn't it?).

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You obviously aren't being sensitive to other's problems. There ARE reasons why people have abortions. They don't just do it for fun.


Yeah.... except for the fact that approximately 93% of women that have abortions, have multiple abortions... meaning... oh yeah.... they are ****s!!! Seriously, if someone doesn't want a child, they shouldn't be opening their legs.
Picture of fetch
Registered: December 30, 2001
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At least with abortion no one feels the pain. Besides, I wouldn't even force anyone to have an abortion and try to make it sound like a magical solution, contary to anti-choicers who try and force abortion laws to be changed or try and convince pregnant women what to do with their lives. Not saying all anti-choicers are like that, but there are a lot I've seen.
Picture of prettyinpunk016
Registered: March 30, 2003
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Neither is abortion.
Picture of fetch
Registered: December 30, 2001
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I just wanna ask all you pro-abortion ppl a question: ever heard of something called adoption?


Ever heard of reading through the thread to see what others before you had to say? Adoption isn't some magical solution.
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