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The psychological definition of normality is conforming to the social norms of one's society. Abnormality is a deviation from these norms. Homosexuality is clearly a minority, hence abnormal in today's world where everyone is judged based on their lifestyle.

What you are doing is saying that the majority makes something normal. In that statement you automatically assume that the minority is abnormal. When you say all minorities are abnormal, you are saying:
People who are left handed are abnormal.
Vegetarians are abnormal.
Democrats in congress are abnormal.

Social customs don't always measure what is normal, but rather you are measuring what the majority does. It's not the same thing.

I suppose that makes sense.

Being gay is not normal. I have nothing against it, nor do I think homosexuals are "weird" (I have a few gay friends). Nor do I think homosexuals are "destined to hell." The psychological definition of normality is conforming to the social norms of one's society. Abnormality is a deviation from these norms. Homosexuality is clearly a minority, hence abnormal in today's world where everyone is judged based on their lifestyle.

I don't think it is unnatural either. It is a biological interaction between two living organisms. As far as I can see, it's as natural as a heterosexual relationship.

Also, if you are going to "research" a topic about human relationships, get it from a book about humans. The statistical anomalies of homosexual relations between other animals is entirely irrelevent. Humans are much more complex creatures than honey bees. Besides humans for example, dolphins are the only other documented organism that engage in sex just for pleasure. Most of these homosexual behaviors between animals have been attributed to hormonal fluctuations anyway.

The "life partners" with the penguins is a different story. I think it entirely possible for larger animals to form close relationships or friendships with others.
The "life partners" with the bees however is a biological process necessary for the bees. It is not a friendship as you imply, at least from a scientific standpoint. Several species of Apoideans (bees), within their own colony travel in groups or pairs for protection, more efficient food finding methods, or in order to scout a new location for a nest. An insect's life is truly too short for them to do anything more than fulfill their biological purpose. Also, insects lack the anatomical processes necessary to engage in homosexual relations with another. Their makeup is too simplified.

Riiiight..

tuesdya valentine.... thanks a lot i always wanted to know which of th species exhibit homosexuality.....

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there are many therapies for homosexuals that want to change....

And they don't work. Repression helps noone and the APA has documented cases where these proceedures end up hurting the people by causing emotional trauma.

not to mention, all reports of these therapies are poorly documented and never followed up on. The statistics say the number of people who "completed the program" but does not say how long it was before they returned to homosexual partnerships.

Jesus Christ do some research.

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This is very true God will forgive you of you homosexuality.. If you first admit your sin to God and try to change your ways.....God doesnt just assume that you are sorry for your actions unless thats how you truly feel deep down in your heart....

You don't know that. for all we know God may not even consider it a sin. GOd cannot be nearly as strict as he is made out to be, however or else there would be noone in heaven. Are you 100% sorry for every mean comment you made or every lustful thought? I thought not.

there are many therapies for homosexuals that want to change....

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Originally posted by yogore:

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Yes this is true God does love the homosexuals.. infact he loves everyone... but this doesnt mean that he agrees with their actions.. you can not use that as evidence to support this....

If we assume for one moment that homosexuality is a sin, God will forgive this and still let people into heaven. He says that all sins are equal in the first place, so telling a white lie = homosexuality.

This is very true God will forgive you of you homosexuality.. If you first admit your sin to God and try to change your ways.....God doesnt just assume that you are sorry for your actions unless thats how you truly feel deep down in your heart....So if a Gay asks God for forgiveness he shall get forgiveness but if not this will be held against him when the final judging comes.. tell me if im wrong...

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Yes this is true God does love the homosexuals.. infact he loves everyone... but this doesnt mean that he agrees with their actions.. you can not use that as evidence to support this....

If we assume for one moment that homosexuality is a sin, God will forgive this and still let people into heaven. He says that all sins are equal in the first place, so telling a white lie = homosexuality.

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god loves all the homosexuals that believe in him. and the homosexuals who do not?

Yes this is true God does love the homosexuals.. infact he loves everyone... but this doesnt mean that he agrees with their actions.. you can not use that as evidence to support this....

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THATS BULL AND U KNO IT....

Ohh you've proved it.... by completely ignoring every post that proves you wrong.

it is indeed not bull, and i do know that.

besides, it doesn't matter if god agrees with homosexuality. that only matters if you're a homosexual and a christian, catholic, etc. as i said earlier. if you're not one of those things, be gay to your heart's content.

god loves all the homosexuals that believe in him. and the homosexuals who do not? he is not applicable to them.

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Originally posted by Kal2390:
because the bible agrees with homosexuality. and more importantly, god agrees with it.

THATS BULL AND U KNO IT....

because the bible agrees with homosexuality. and more importantly, god agrees with it.

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and it is perfectly reasonable for one to be a christian and a homosexual.

How can u say this when in another page u told me that u agree with the bible... if u do then dont be a hypocrite live to what it says about homosexuality... read the other threads again.. have u NOT picked up any thing on the discussions......????? about homosexuality not entering the kingdom of God.. Inheriting the kingdom....????? check it out

no homosexual needs your approval or acceptance to be a homosexual. if they're a christian, catholic, or otherwise, god approves. if they do not believe in god, then they can do whatever they want anyway.

and it is perfectly reasonable for one to be a christian and a homosexual.

KAL...

Pretty sure that u used other words to accuse me of being a hypocrite and of saying that i will go to hell...

For the record when i say God is the only one who can i judge thats what i meant.. u read to much into what i DIDNT say as to of what i did say...and i am not saying that i am all up there and holy but i do not approve of homosexualty... so urr saying that u can agree with this concept of gays but yet i cant disagree....

I do not spread hate of fellow human beings but i think that they should know what the bible says if they claim to be a christian and a homosexual at the same time...

its like an oxymoron

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if the quote "inherit God's kingdom" doesnt mean heaven tell me what exactly it means

It does mean heaven, but you're assuming that if one doesn't get into heaven, the only other outcome is hell. But that's not necessarily true.

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Originally posted by Joel135:
Meaning that u dont get into heaven by just being nice and contributing to the world around u u must beleive in God... And if u truly beleive in God then u SHALL BE SAVED...

and believing in god has nothing to do with being homosexual.

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HOW DARE U EVER TELL ME THAT I WILL GO TO HELL.... HOW DARE U... urr the one who agreed with me that only God can judge.. so now urr telling me that because i dont beleive what u beleive i will go to HELL.. WHOS THE HYPOCRITE NOW????

see, the thing is i never said that. so stop being so paranoid. i didn't imply you were a bigoted, hateful homophobe, but you've now just admitted it. only god can judge, and I think you're in for a rude surprise if you believe spreading hatred of fellow human beings is gonna get you the golden key.

as for messages for condemnation, allow me to quote:

"The Bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and 362 admonishments to heterosexuals. That doesn't mean that God doesn't love heterosexuals. It's just that they need more supervision."

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check this verse out and tell me what it says to u 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10 says:

Prove that the Bible is gods word. you can't. I know what i'm talking about. i've been around for a while.

you can use the Bible as justifications for your thoughts, but first you must justify how the Bible is a crediable source. The bible is a document that was written down many years ago. years after the events theoretuically happened. Furthermore, it has been translated and eferyone knows that words are mixed up in translations.

prove to me that it is crediable. You simply cannot.