hello wake up... if the quote "inherit God's kingdom" doesnt mean heaven tell me what exactly it means and even though the bible does contain messages of love and equality it also has messages of condemnation and warning signs.. i am just alerting them of there choices NOT condeming them.. As i said before i am not the judge when it is all said and done.. it is God who shall be the judge in the end.

Indeed. But what if I don't see the Bible as perfectly true? As Kal said on another board, the Bible should not be used as a tool for condemnation but instead read for it's message of love and equality.

Sure, the Bible may say men that lie with men will not inherit the kingdom of God, but does that give you the right to tell them they're going to hell? The verse doesn't even say that. It says that they won't "inherit God's kingdom," not that they'll be eternally punished in a pit of fire.

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Originally posted by clpo13:

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so now urr telling me that because i dont beleive what u beleive i will go to HELL.. WHOS THE HYPOCRITE NOW????

How hypocritical of you to tell us that we'll go to hell for not believing what you believe.

I hope you get my drift.

I didnt say that u are going to hell because of what u beleive what i put on that post was from the bible....... NOT OF MY OWN WORDS... therefore i am not being hypocritical...

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so now urr telling me that because i dont beleive what u beleive i will go to HELL.. WHOS THE HYPOCRITE NOW????

How hypocritical of you to tell us that we'll go to hell for not believing what you believe.

I hope you get my drift.

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Prove it.

YOGORE

check this verse out and tell me what it says to u 1 Corinthians 6: 9-10 says:

"Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God’s kingdom.".....

It clearly says that no man should lie with another man... ( GOD CREATED ADAM FOR EVE NOT STEVE) hows that for proof

Kal..

First of all you dont get into heaven by works... havent u read the verse Ephesians 2:8-9 8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— 9not by works, so that no one can boast. 10For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do................

Meaning that u dont get into heaven by just being nice and contributing to the world around u u must beleive in God... And if u truly beleive in God then u SHALL BE SAVED... HOW DARE U EVER TELL ME THAT I WILL GO TO HELL.... HOW DARE U... urr the one who agreed with me that only God can judge.. so now urr telling me that because i dont beleive what u beleive i will go to HELL.. WHOS THE HYPOCRITE NOW????

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Originally posted by Joel135:
I think that Homosexuality is totally wrong and that being GAY is not normal.. Hello in the beginning of time Gad created Adam and Eve and they were made for each other. NOTICE God did not make ADAM AND STEVE.... HE DID NOT MAKE ANOTHER MAN TO COMFORT AND SUPPORT ADAM he made a woman. Im not saying that if urr gay that im gonna totally space u off and not listen to urr comments, and NO (me bein a "Bible Thumper") will not judge people or condemn them for there choices.. because thats Gods job NOT MINE.. and in the end of time they will be judged for there wrong doings.. oh and by the way even if u are gay God STILL LOVES U AND ALWAYS WILL.. DONT FORGET THAT ITS NEVER TO LATE TO CHANGE URR WAYS..

the beginning of your argument and the end contradicts itself. you say homosexuality is wrong, and then go onto say you will not judge. hypocrite.

you are right though. God will judge everyone. but the homosexual who treated everyone well and contributed good things to society will get into heaven, while the bigoted, hateful homophobe will be in hell.

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God did not make ADAM AND STEVE.... HE DID NOT MAKE ANOTHER MAN TO COMFORT AND SUPPORT ADAM he made a woman.

Prove it.

I think that Homosexuality is totally wrong and that being GAY is not normal.. Hello in the beginning of time Gad created Adam and Eve and they were made for each other. NOTICE God did not make ADAM AND STEVE.... HE DID NOT MAKE ANOTHER MAN TO COMFORT AND SUPPORT ADAM he made a woman. Im not saying that if urr gay that im gonna totally space u off and not listen to urr comments, and NO (me bein a "Bible Thumper") will not judge people or condemn them for there choices.. because thats Gods job NOT MINE.. and in the end of time they will be judged for there wrong doings.. oh and by the way even if u are gay God STILL LOVES U AND ALWAYS WILL.. DONT FORGET THAT ITS NEVER TO LATE TO CHANGE URR WAYS..

I know, I was just clarifying for anyone who wanted to take RegularGuy's claims and turn it into "Bisexuality is a choice."

I think he's a little confused. Whatever the case, welcome to the club!

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Still, you don't choose to be bisexual either.

I never said or [meant] to imply such.

Still, you don't choose to be bisexual either.

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So you chose to be gay? BS.

Just updating this and telling everyone here that he has admitted to really being bisexual.

Now, anyone who continues to tell gay's that they are destined to hell, I ask you, may I please borrow the revised copy of the Bible that someone gave you in which God came down unto the people and said "You, that whole thing about not judging people? I was just playin'. And remember that whole love the sinner hate the sin concept? Yeah, whatever, I was in a weird mood that day. Hate 'em both. Speaking of which, about all that love and goodness and being kind crap? Screw it, that was just to impress some chick."

Just wanted to say i love how you put that.

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Who you love is choice not science.

So you chose to be gay? BS. Attraction is most definitally science due to phermones and reactions that go on in the brain which produce emotions.

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Someone in my recent family (accoriding to Mendal's Theory) would have to be gay for me to have the gene

Not neccessarily. If it is a reccessive gene that only occurs with certain circumstances, it could be passed down as a reccessive trait for generations.

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#2: From my last physical I was 100% healthy. I am a straight A student on the national honor roll.
How could I have a chemical imbalance?

Did your doctor do a thorough analysis of your chemical levels? A 'chemical imbalance' wouldn't make you unhealthy, because it's not a bad thing. Imbalance is not implying anything negative, it is only stating a difference. And, having a 'chemical imbalance' does not prevent you from being smart. The stereotype of gays being smart and wealthy didn't come from nowhere.

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#2: From my last physical I was 100% healthy. I am a straight A student on the national honor roll.
How could I have a chemical imbalance?

Because a chemical imbalance doesn't necessarily correlate with that?

genetics:
#1: Someone in my recent family (accoriding to Mendal's Theory) would have to be gay for me to have the gene. And I know there isn't one.
chemical imbalance:
#2: From my last physical I was 100% healthy. I am a straight A student on the national honor roll.
How could I have a chemical imbalance?

Just a thought: I'm sure being or not being gay is a choice. Just because you date a girl or a guy doesn't mean you have a chemical imbalance or a certian gene. Who you love is choice not science.

Well the most obvious and strongest is that gays show absolutely no "violent" or "unstable" tendencies. A disorder/imbalance does not mean that you are dangerous. Does having mild ADHD prohibit you from adopting? How about OCD? Truthfully I'm not sure but I'd be willing to wager that they are, at the worst, minor obstacles. A beneign mental disorder that does not increase your chances of being violent or prevents you from holding a steady job shouldn't be a problem.

As to combating a socially conservative government, there's not much you can do beside vote, or get a very good lawyer and enough money to convince the Supreme Court of the case. As it stands right now I think that, with enough evidence, the court could not ignore any ban on gay marriage, or at least the equivilant legal rights.

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As to adoption, it could be a hinderance there, however since the "symptoms" in no way make the person a threat like the other disorders you mentioned. I see no reason, aside from the arguement that children need influence from both genders, that this would legetimately affect the case for adoption.

I don't think the problem would be with adoption agencies. (Aside from hardcore Christian ones, most are really accepting of gays trying to adopt.) The problem would lie in a conservative President and administration (and Supreme Court) that may try and outlaw gay adoption based on the "chemical imbalance" and if schizophrenics have rights -- but most cannot adopt as they are not 'mentally stable' -- then gays cannot as well.

Any ideas to try and prevent that? 'Cause I'm warming up to the chemical imbalance idea. If for nothing else than improvement of chances for equality for homosexuals.