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I don't see arguments against bisexuality; I see arguments about sexual agression, as in this

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I wasn’t making arguments bisexuality, if you are bisexual that is fine with me.

My argument us that [some] girls aren’t necessarily attracted to both men and women but instead using the possibility/promise to a guy of have sex with multiple girls simply for having sex with this guy, who may/would/have turned down her sexual propositions before. I have heard/seen it allot.

I also argue against bisexuality being used as a selling tool, as a way to flaunt ones promiscuousness, or simply doing it because everyone else is.

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If we're going to look at bisexuality as a recent trend, why don't we consider heterosexuality to be merely a trend that's overstayed its visit

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Fair enough!
If someone is gay, but only pretends to be straight to be cool, they are wrong too.

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promiscuity... hm, but nothing about bisexuality

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Again my argument is not that bisexuality is wrong, but that bisexuality as a tool of seduction is wrong.

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I said:
If you are truly Bisexual there is nothing wrong with it. But women use bisexuality as a tool to get th men they want.

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I'm so tired of hearing the romance sex issue, to be very honest Christianity didn't believe in Romance in marriage, they simply saw it as business deal. Joseph Campbell, a famous Historian wrote a whole bunch about this. In particular the whole idea of "romance" was considered blasphemous by the church, originally, when authors brought this idea of love into play. I don't remember the specific author who raised the issue of romance, but I'll look it up in "the power of myth"

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This is very true!

But Christians are changing in this way. Most Pastors will not marry someone who will not give good reasons for wanting to get married. Love is a requirement.

Sex for Christians today, and long ago was largely thought to be looked upon as more of a have to.
However the bible never says do not enjoy sex. It simply says not to be a s.lut.

Sex should be used [my own opinion] as a symbol of love, not some thing that is just a way to feel good.

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But by what moral code is bisexuality wrong, if not the bible

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People who do not follow a already established moral code, do what is right in there own eyes. There is such a thing a someone who is naturally turned off by bi/homosexual relationships and view it as wrong.

I think it is also easy to determine what society deems moral and immoral as well. The problem with that is what may be moral one day could be immoral the next. And visa versa.

By what moral code is *******ly wrong if not the bible?

Perhaps one day we could where this is perfectly acceptable who knows?

Now most all people will say “Sex with animals! That’s just nasty I don’t even want to think about that!”
But at one time women widely answered this way about bisexuality as well.

If we're going to look at bisexuality as a recent trend, why don't we consider heterosexuality to be merely a trend that's overstayed its visit?

I don't see arguments against bisexuality; I see arguments about sexual agression, as in this:

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And women craving attention have complied. The clothes are getting tighter and more revealing with each generation, as well as more sexually open. Girls are no longer looked down upon for kissing and telling. And in allot of cases girls have become the sexual aggressors.

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...self-respect...

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So Joey I feel that us guys need to look in the mirror more often, as you even said you were probably the only guy to be happy this person was asking the girl to respect herself.

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...promiscuity... hm, but nothing about bisexuality.

And then we talk about morals.

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The morality bar is slowly lowering into extinction.

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But by what moral code is bisexuality wrong, if not the bible?

Oh yeah, and I have new names for my To Crush List: Creamerkitty, JustMyself, YouthVoice, Korith, and cbabs35. Beware, for I now stalk you.

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With age comes experience, bex, so I guess I do

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Like bex said, you are 22. Where the hell did you get the idea that 22 was in any way old?

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what girls are being brought up in today

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And what is that?

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But geez, get some morals people

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How is being bi immoral? Explain it to me.

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their lack of self respect

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I know many bi people, and they seem to respect themselves.

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Lots of people think this I'm sure; but only few will actually go through with it and say it.

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Get over yourself. Now. Do it.

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Girls on their knees for guys AND girls

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On their knees? What makes you think that because they are bi that they would get on their knees for anyone. Oh, wait... that's right, you're a *******. Sorry, I just sorta forgot who I was talking to.

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It's as if girls' self-esteem wasn't low enough

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Why would their... oh right. *******. Sorry.

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the girls being churned out in what we call culture nowadays

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Churned out? Churned out?! Ha, I laugh. Bigots are funny.

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"Well it's cool to be bi because I get sooo much attention"

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Actually, all the bi people I know were afraid to come out because of that attention.

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Greece were acceptable too, Pedophilia,

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Not true, Greek society did not allow pedophilia, they simply brought the child into there home and the child was raised in a protégé type manner. They were NOT allowed to touch the child.

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Sex has largely lost its romance. Now it is simply a way to temporality escape reality, kind of like a drug. For me if I have sex with someone I am not married to, and we don’t last until marriage then to me, I just slept with someone else’s wife. That is not just Christian moral, I’ve felt that way for a long time. I want my Romantic love to be with just me and my wife, no one else.

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I'm so tired of hearing the romance sex issue, to be very honest Christianity didn't believe in Romance in marriage, they simply saw it as business deal. Joseph Campbell, a famous Historian wrote a whole bunch about this. In particular the whole idea of "romance" was considered blasphemous by the church, originally, when authors brought this idea of love into play. I don't remember the specific author who raised the issue of romance, but I'll look it up in "the power of myth"

Would most guys really rather have sex with two girls at once? My guy friends all find this outrageous (or maybe they're just afraid to tell me the truth) Personally the idea of threesomes disgusts me, but that's me. I was referring to one partner at a time bisexuality...I get what you're saying though. If girls use it to entice guys with the prospect of two girls at once or just the fact that it's "hot" to be bi, then it is degrading. Love to all (heh, that takes on a whole new meaning now...sorry...) Jen.

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So, does anyone have any valid complaints about bisexuality that don't stem from the bible?

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In ancient times, there was sex EVERYWHERE. They were open about it. It was upper class for the men to be bi-sexual. They painted about sex (like today's billboards) on buildings. They always built a room (the rich of course) for sex and orgies.

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These things were mainly in Greece. Greece was at one time the Homosexual capital of the world. It was wrong for a man to have sex with a woman before they were married but if you have sex with a man, no problem there.

Other things in Ancient Greece were acceptable too, Pedophilia, Child prostitution, and wife swapping.

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Do you really truly think that’s its degrading? I hope not

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In your case it is not. Like you said your doing it because you really like both sexes.

But in the case of women simply trying to seduce men, or doing it just because everyone else is, is degrading in the sense all they want is sex appeal.

Supposing exposed myself every time I was attracted to a girl and then kissed any guy around me to prove my s.luttiness, is this not degrading?

Women will flash, kiss other women, let men touch (some times total strangers) almost anything to be sexually appealing to men.

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Sex with another girl does not make a girl more of a sex object than sex with a guy!

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Excellent point!
However 2 head are better then one.
What I mean is a guy would much rather have sex with 2 women then just 1. Women who use bisexuality as a fish net, have there pick of the litter.

"You can have me... any my friend.."

Come on? Men and Women know that is a no brainier (for most guys).

If you are truly Bisexual there is nothing wrong with it. But women use bisexuality as a tool to get th men they want. Some women, and men (don’t think I am singling you out ladies I am completely for men taking responsibility but you are just the subject) will stop at nothing to have sex with any one person, and will make any promises and endure any perversion to do so.

Sex has largely lost its romance. Now it is simply a way to temporality escape reality, kind of like a drug. For me if I have sex with someone I am not married to, and we don’t last until marriage then to me, I just slept with someone else’s wife. That is not just Christian moral, I’ve felt that way for a long time. I want my Romantic love to be with just me and my wife, no one else.

Thanks magnus; that's what I was looking for.

And by the way, the reason I even mentioned the guys being "god-like" is because society - especially at younger ages - views guys - well, the guy society - views guys as pimps and cool for sleeping with chics.

And on the same token, girls are seen as trash and stuff, which isn't right of course not, but ya, that's what I was meaning on that one.


I like how the controversial issues get discussions flowing; I mean, you people would be hard-pressed to be able to express it all if it weren't for controversy

Here's my issue with the whole "bisexuality" thing, in a lot of cases I think people are trying to fit a trend with the whole fashion lesbian thing. I think its stupid how homosexuality has become a selling tool now; I.E the Brittney Madonna thing. I don't think it’s morally gross, I just think it’s another case of a stupid trend.
If you are homosexual by all means be homosexual, but if you're not, don't think you’re impressing anybody by claiming you're bisexual. Claiming your bisexual does not make you anti-establishment or open-minded or whatever hip phrase you want to use. Basically be what you want to be but don't try to fit trends and try to impress people.

I agree with jen. How is it degrading? I for one am bisecual. And not because its a "trend" but because i have feelings for both of the sexes. Do you really truly think thats its degrading? I hope not. And another thing foxy's right too. Your always going off on double standards and crap like that. I like ya but this is one subject i feel strongly about (obviously)

*gives foxy a standing ovation*

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Foxy wanna make out?

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Yeah, who said this to me? The same old-fashioned son-of a-gun we all know and love as Joey.

Hun, aren't you also the one that complains of double-standards?

much luv

~*FOXY*~

To reiterate my question: Why is it degrading? I understand that it might be morally wrong, depending on your views, but how is it DEGRADING? Sex with another girl does not make a girl more of a sex object than sex with a guy! Now, if they're doing it to attract men (and wow would that be twisted) then I see your point. But bisexuality isn't degrading. How do you arrive at that conclusion? To me, the right/wrongness of it is a completely seperate issue. Are you saying it lowers a girl's self-esteem to do something morally wrong? If so, then that would only apply if they saw it as wrong, which they probably don't. Could anybody explain where he's getting the idea that this is degrading? Love and confusion, Jen.

So, does anyone have any valid complaints about bisexuality that don't stem from the bible? Because I haven't heard any. And if you weren't so intent on forcing your superfluous moral codes on people like myself you wouldn't be so "disappointed" in today's society.

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I know how she feels. Gr, that can get annoying.

In ancient times, there was sex EVERYWHERE. They were open about it. It was upper class for the men to be bi-sexual. They painted about sex (like today's billboards) on buildings. They always built a room (the rich of course) for sex and orgies.

It's not that every generation gets worse. For some reason everyone stopped being open about it. I mean it did happen in all the other time periods, no one talked about it though. There was premarital sex, there were rape cases, just everyone looked the other way.

much luv

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i totally agree korith. most guys, not all, do have these fantasys of seeing two girls have sex and having the threesomes. that is the main reason that there are bisexual women out there. but it's also the same reason why there are bisexual men. most women want to see that. to them, seeing that it's ok. and the gay men. they want to know what it would feel like to be with men. but on the subject of bisexual women, it's always this double standard of sexual things. men can have sex with many women but if a women did it, she's a ***** (hoe) she'll do anything and everything. totally not respecting herself. what about guys? why can't they be hoes? the views of men and women need to change and it needs to happen soon.

I think it is because so many guys dream about 2 girl 3 somes.

Girls have become desensitized to Bi/Homosexuality.

"So many girls do it now-a-days, there’s nothing wrong with it anymore, besides it isn't like the guys are complaining."

That statement says allot.

Guys talk 24/7 about how they wish women were, and lets face it, its ****ty. Women are constantly being referred to as “Hoes” and “****s”

And women craving attention have complied. The clothes are getting tighter and more revealing with each generation, as well as more sexually open. Girls are no longer looked down upon for kissing and telling. And in allot of cases girls have become the sexual aggressors.

Women [age 21-30] largely chalk it up to feminism. It seems like the more promiscuous girls get the more self respecting they are, or at least that is was the left would like them to think.

Girls who defend there ****tiness say that is it feminism in the sense that they are not living the way men deem morally correct, that guys are allowed to talk about sex, brag and sleep with 50 different girls, why can't they? What makes it ok for men and not women?

You do have a point there, but I don't agree with those guys either. However do 2 wrongs make a right? No. Simply because guys do it, doesn't make it ok.

So Joey I feel that us guys need to look in the mirror more often, as you even said you were probably the only guy to be happy this person was asking the girl to respect herself.


And girls, there is no such thing as a good man who sleeps with anyone willing to put out. You should, and have the right to, demand the same sexual morality from your men!

The morality bar is slowly lowering into extinction.

Before divorces happened because people married for sex. No that is no longer a requirement. Premarital sex is absolutely accepted and completely normal. My last girlfriend said I wasn’t normal because I wouldn’t have sex with her. Girls who have morals are being alienated and considered “uptight” by girls and undesirable by men. Who can blame them?

The Eminem song “Superman” to me is about how he will never need a wife as long as there are ****ty women.
.. Won’t put out? I’ll put you out! Won’t get out? I’ll push you out! ..
.. can never love you enough to trust you, We just met and I just ****** you!
-Eminem



“Only a few men will like my views, but any man will like what I can do in bed, why not flaunt what I got?”

Another true statement, but what kind of man are you after? The first person to say, “well that was a good lay, I think I might stick with her for a while” ? Is this your Idea of love? What about when the sex is gone?

I worry so much about my generation and its lack of morals.

Hmm, been thinking on this a little more… The idea that any sexuality is cooler than another is ridiculous, but I can see how it happens. People have always seen controversy as cool (including a certain person around these parts whose name begins with J and ends with oeydauben). Bisexuality is seen as rebellious and controversial, therefore appealing. I imagine when people stop kicking up a fuss about the whole issue of homosexuality it will get less hype in the media. Just the amount of topics on it on Youthnoise shows how much of an issue in the public eye it is right now.

Bex

PS sorry if I wasn't comletely civil in my last post, but I do not appreciate being belittled. If you do it again I will kick your asss, Dauben.

Joey. Get over yourself.

Dude, you're only 22. I'm 16. I might venture that I'm more mature than you are. And I am far from stupid.

Pay attention to what I'm saying. I agree that bisexuality in pop culture might encourage girls to experiment. But I don't think that someone can change their sexuality at will. Also, seeing as we differ in views on the entire gay issue, I don't think girls 'experimenting' is detrimental to society.

I do disagree with pop culture deliberately trying to influence fans, tell them who to be etc. but in the end, you have to be true to yourself. If you're straight, you're straight! Any desire to be cool is not going to change that.

Adios

Bex

hmm...didn't I already see this post? Where is my cheerleader comment?

Anyway...Catholic Girls Schools have alot to do with it, being I have spent my fair share around them...I've seen things, girls have needs.