i really dont get how anyone can have an abortion. And then they say rthat if u kill it soon enough that it isnt really a baby. well, u no wat, thats a load of bull. As soon as it is concieved a baby begins to form. anyone that doesnt no that much about reproduction shouldnt be scewing around in the first place. u wouldnt put ur newborn in a bg in an alley and cut it up would u? y would u ever do that while it is still in side of you? abortion is murder and i cnt believe that all those big hot shopt scientists can't seem to figure that out!!!!

No problem. And sure, I'll definitely send some good energy your way. I hope things work out for your friend.

Thanks for that Euterpe. That made my day.

This is off topic but I'm going to ask for it anway.

Can you please pray for one of my best friends? his name is Bryant and a few years ago he had a hemmorage in his brain. They didn't know and it was untreated and now they just found out. its pretty bad and the doctors said it would be a miracle if he lived for 5 more years.


Please pray. I know I won't. Even though I know I should.


I can't do this on my own...



thanks a ton -- Ams

No, it makes you a open-minded and a tolerant one. Which makes you a rare breed.

I wonder that myself. My mother had not only one, but three abortions before she met, married, and had kids with my father. Unfortunately for me but fortunately for them, I'm the only kid that knows. They hope it stays taht way and I have no idea how I (if i was going to) would break the news to my younger sisters. I havent forgiven her for it yet. It might take me a while. Then again I havent forgiven a lot of people for a lot of stuff.



Does that make me a bad Christian?



-- Ams

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i dont believe in abort.

And I don't believe in feta cheese. But it's still there.

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Originally posted by sugar_baby_432:
And then they say rthat if u kill it soon enough that it isnt really a baby. well, u no wat, thats a load of bull. As soon as it is concieved a baby begins to form.

The debate is not as to whether it's a baby or not. (It actually isn't a baby until later, but an embryo and later a fetus). It's about whether it can feel or not. And according to those "hot shot" scientists, who, no offense, know alot more about anatomy, life processes, etc. than you, say it can't. It isn't a human yet, and isn't capable of thinking or feeling.


Of course abortion is a terrible thing. No one wants to have it done, but what if you are raped? what if you are just a misguided person who makes a mistake? Is there no forgiveness or second chances? And I don't want to be a cynic, but if a child is concieved by an unwed teen, or even a married adult, it may not be brought up well. Without good parenting, will it end up as a drug addict, in jail, or a pregnant teen themselves? Do you really want to bring a child with those odds into the world?

also, putting your newborn in a bag in an alley and cutting it up is entirely different from an abortion. For one thing, if you get an abortion early, the embryo or fetus can't feel (see above). Also, doctors don't "cut up" the baby. They kill it in the most humane way possible. Please, stop judging these women until you can look at this in an unbiased light. And even then, don't judge them.

Good question.

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Don't be jealous, babe.

Oh I'm not, I know you're all mine.

What I want to know is, how could someone not have an abortion?

You're obviously an idiot. And not because of your opinion, that's fine.

Abortion. Is. Not. Birth. Control. Nobody claimed it was. Abortion is about the fact that because of our rights in this country, it isn't any of your goddamn business if a woman gets an abortion.

Fucking get a life. Your morals aren't important to anyone nor do they apply to anyone but yourself.

i dont believe in abort. its stupid..if your not mature enough to care of a baby then i say keep their legs closed. they shouldnt have killed the baby.

I belive in abortion to a certain point. I dont belive in it as a form of birth control. What would you do if you got raped and you got pregnant and you werent ready for a baby. Would you throw your whole life away because someone decided to have sex with you that you didint want.But i dont agree with girls today who use it as birth control so they can have sex as much as they want.

You're welcome, gravity. And risk...

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That's kinky, Tarp.

Don't be jealous, babe.

No, rugar, because he wanted her to murder the now infant, (because it was far along enough where an abortion could not be performed) with malicious intent.

Abortions are the removal of unborn, undeveloped fetuses with the genuine concern for the mother's emotional, financial, and physical stability.

Besides, the instances of abortion are presumably rarely just because "I don't feel like it." More often that not..I think about 1/4th of the time, it's because they want to postpone childbearing. Something like 1/5th of the time, it's because she cannot afford a child.

And I swear if someone gives me the "then she shouldn't be sexually active" bullshit, I'm going to flip. Condoms break, the pill can be forgotten, rapes can occur. More than half of all women getting abortions claim to have used contraception. Hence the abortion; it was unplanned, unexpected.

Put it this way: In 2002, there were just over 4 million births. Since the US birth rate is declining, let's put the number at 4 million for 2005. The number of abortions is just over 1 million. To say that allowing these babies to come to term would not affect the population is straight-up lies.

88% of abortions occur during the first 6 to 12 weeks of pregnancy.
60% of abortions are performed on woman who already have one or more children.
47% of abortions are performed on women who have already had one or more abortions.
43% of women will have had at least one abortion by the time they are 45. (However, "abortion" here also means a miscarriage. So that stat is off.)
http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortionstats/a/aaabortionstats.htm

I can't remember the point of all of that. Just spreading the info. Doesn't really look good for either side of the debate, actually. I guess, abortion to me isn't about my morals. It's about my belief in the freedom in this country.

My sister told my Dad and myself the other month that there was this guy and girl. The guy was in jail for murder, cause his girlfriend was pregnant and she didn't want the baby. They went to get an abortion, but she was to far a long and so they wouldn't abort the baby. The girl told him to jump on her stomach and so he did and he end up killing the baby. So now he is in jail, for who knows how long.

What I don't understand is they can get that boy for killing an unborn baby, why can't they get the abortion places? Aren't they doing the same exact thing?

Euterpe, el-hamdullah (thank you). I appreciate that. =)

DrStrangelove, our interpretations of murder that is justified are quite different...I see the death penalty and war as immoral because who are we to play God? I think a government that seems to encourage violence in media, televised murders, war, etc., etc., should be held responsible for the abortion of babies.

If our government starts doing the right thing and not letting people be killed or even killing people, as well as putting better sex education in schools and making birth control readily available, then most citizens will follow. As it is, our government is basically saying, it's alright to kill, as long as it's JUSTIFIED.

Well, who's to say what's justified?

I really don't know. Obviously, it SHOULD be a person's conscience, but that's not happening...people seem to exploit and kill at will.

I don't know if a government like ours can say that murder is wrong when they practice it.

Also, I agree with you, that we can't really reach a real decision on abortion until we know when life really begins.

I also agree that we need better restrictions on abortion. We have restrictions now, but they are merely roadblocks and could be greatly improved. For example, it takes so long to get ready to have an abortion, with paperwork and all, that it can take up to three months to abort the baby. I think the baby is fairly well-developed by then.

I also think there should be a limit of some sort on how many abortions a person can have...some people just don't seem to care if they get pregnant or not, they can just abort the baby! This seems really wrong to me. Sure, second chances are good, but fifth or sixth chances?

I think people will probably always have abortions, but currently, they're more safe than illegal abortions (where women were molested and would sometimes contract diseases, but couldn't complain because it was illegal) or drinking Drain-o, or all of the other things people will do when they're scared enough.

I see legal abortion as sort of a good alternative to this, even if it is possibly murder.

Yes, I know this brings up the case that people who are angry at someone and want to murder them should be able to kill them in a clean, "safe" way, instead of in a dirty way where they could get infections, or whatever, but until we know when a baby is alive, that's what I've got.

Also, thank you for being intelligent and reasonable. =)

My family thinks I'm a horrible person because I'm not 100% for any kind of abortion...kind of silly.

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What if you were raped and impregnated at 13? A females body isn't fully ready to have a baby at 13. What if you contracted HIV and you child was going to get it too? Is it worth bring that poor child into the world.

If you feel the situation calls for homocide then you must justify it. A pregnant 13 year old can still have a baby. The body may not be at optimum age, however it is possible. Should the condition become life-threatening, then the pregnancy might be terminated out of nessecity. You're also talking about cases that are EXTRAORDINARILY rare to the point that they are nearly unheard of.

As for HIV, would you kill the child after it had been born to "save it the pain"? HIV is no longer a death senetance, and there is only a 20% chance, WITHOUT treatment that the child will contract the virus. With treatment that can drop to as low as 1%. Are those odds really enough to justify an abortion?

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Originally posted by newyorkdoll790:
Very easily thats how. Its a very touchy issue, you could be raped, and would you want to look at that child everyday as a memory of reminding you what you went through??

No I agree you should just shoot that kid in the face. He or she (wait, lets just call it an It) doesn't really matter and doesn't have any rights. Everyone knows that children produced by rape aren't real humans.

What if you were raped and impregnated at 13? A females body isn't fully ready to have a baby at 13. What if you contracted HIV and you child was going to get it too? Is it worth bring that poor child into the world.

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Originally posted by newyorkdoll790:
Very easily thats how. Its a very touchy issue, you could be raped, and would you want to look at that child everyday as a memory of reminding you what you went through??

No I agree you should just shoot that kid in the face. He or she (wait, lets just call it an It) doesn't really matter and doesn't have any rights. Everyone knows that children produced by rape aren't real humans.

Very easily thats how. Its a very touchy issue, you could be raped, and would you want to look at that child everyday as a memory of reminding you what you went through??

Abortions. Why do people care? They aren't killing your kids or your potential kids.

GEEEZ.