quote:And you obviously aren't aware of how much abortions cost, fetch. In case you haven't noticed, doctors don't do the procedure for free. It can cost up to $10,000. So people who's condom broke or messed up don't just choose to have an abortion because it's finacially smarter. If they were to raise a child, it would cost them roughly $18,000 a year. Yes, that's $8,000 more than having an abortion, but the payment for taking care of a child is gradual. Hospitals and doctors aren't so pacient, heh.
That's roughly the cost, not exactly. It's not cheap to have an abortion, but raising a child takes a lot more money and a lot more work. You can also loan money and so on for an abortion, but you can't really ask someone to pay for your baby for you. And we're talking "normal" babies now. Babies born to young girls/smokers/drug-users or just bad genes could have birth defects or illnesses that could cost up to thousands of dollars a month.
quote:Did you even read my post? I mean, damn. I never insinuated anything of the sort. Abortion clinics don't ask you why you're there. Obviously you want an abortion. It's not their place to ask. If you're 18 or under, you need your guardian's consent, but that's about it. You get an abortion on your own free will, and you're not pressed for a reason as to why you're pregnant.
yes, I read your post. I know abortion clinics don't ask why you want an abortion, and that's a good thing. It's just the idea I got from staments like "abortion is wrong unless the woman was raped". You know if she was raed only if she choses to tell you. And nobody should be forced to say why they wat an abortion in the first place.
By the way, that's what Bush wanted to do. Outlaw abortions unless it's certain cases.
closeminded..HA HA HA...funnyist thing...i thought the same thing of you...i tryed to work out our difference and you throw it in my face.....to the other person, there is already enough kids up for adoption, dont need anymore...how about women just keep their legs shut...oh, for gods sake never mind...my 'closemindedness' is getting in the way and i have to study for AP bio. anyway.... here are some intelegent words for ya...blah blah blah
Abortion is murder.. flat out. Breaking the back of a baby's neck and sucking out it's brains...... yea that's murder. Killing a human life for no reason other than "I will not be able to support this child", or "this child would be better dead" is ignorant. Why is it that abortion seems to be the only choice? Say it with me ADOPTION. Let the child have a chance at life.... You got yourself into this you should take the responsibility of taking care of it. That may sound cold but it's true. As for rape.... that's hard to decide. I still believe that you should have the baby and if you don't want it then give it up for adoption.
The subject is obviously sarcasm... but seriously -- i agree about "fence riding" being moronic. However i agree much more with fetch when he said
<<"And you mention rape. so a lot of anti-choicers say abortion is wrong UNLESS it's rape. So do you suggest that every time a woman wants an abortion she needs to tell her life story? "Hmm, maybe you get can an abortion.. but no, you should have kicked him." , "No, I don't think you should have an abortion, you should have used a better condom".">>
That is very intelligent, IMO Can everyone who wants an abortion be questioned? Obviously not, so we're just going to have to accept the fact that it's a woman's choice. I'd LOVE to say "Well, this wasn't rape - just you're own careless mistake. Request denied!" But let's be REALISTIC...*not* going to happen.
I also disagree a woman should still have the child if she doesn't want it and she was raped. Just as there are MANY different situations, I'd like to hear everyone's HONEST opinion on this one. I posted about it once before. This may have never happend but, JUST IN CASE...
Q: You were raped. You go in for testing and find out you're pregnant. You also find out going through and having the baby could cause complications that could result in YOUR death.
Wouldn't you want the option for abortion available? Don't outlaw abortion and punish people in situations like this just because you've heard about a couple 16 year olds not accepting the consequences of unprotected sex. I heard someone say rape abortions occur only 3% of the time - look at my question above and imagine now : you're one of the 3%.
Just a couple thoughts. I'd like to hear what everyone thinks about them though.
why does everyone say that as if it affends me??...what if i was a baby that someone aborted...well, i wouldnt be here so who the hell cares??? and no, a parasite does not do harm to its host...those ball of cells are nothing to me, and something 'precious' to you...were different, lets just leave it at that...i wont change your mind and you wont change mine
Leave the anti-abortion supporters alone. A growing baby is a living human being. It's not a parasite. A parasite causes harm to that which it lives of off.
The correct terminology is a fetus. It's not a gamete, or sex cell. It is not just a "bunch of cells." If so, then you're the same. What do you think you're made up of? Cells. Just like a baby/fetus. You could have been the baby someone else aborted.
okay...well fyi 'parasite' refers to something that feeds off another...or, the fetus feeds off the mother...insult???no....bunch of cells...or, zygote, gamete, fetus, embryo, blastocyte and many other names i referred to as bunce of cells because i didnt feel likt going through all those names....again, insult???no...and 'thing' well, i dont like children so basically that was an insult to the...well, thing...and YES, may i NEVER have children...i wont....sorry, but the whole point is...women will have abortions whether they are illegel or not, its her choice whether you like it or not, its not your choice....if you are against abortions, good, dont have one...leave all the other pro- ppl alone
quote: So what if a person chose to have sex? What if the condom broke and they don't have enough money?
If they chose to have sex, then they should resume responsiblity for their actions and not take the easy way out.
And you obviously aren't aware of how much abortions cost, fetch. In case you haven't noticed, doctors don't do the procedure for free. It can cost up to $10,000. So people who's condom broke or messed up don't just choose to have an abortion because it's finacially smarter. If they were to raise a child, it would cost them roughly $18,000 a year. Yes, that's $8,000 more than having an abortion, but the payment for taking care of a child is gradual. Hospitals and doctors aren't so pacient, heh.
quote: And you mention rape. so a lot of anti-choicers say abortion is wrong UNLESS it's rape. So do you suggest that every time a woman wants an abortion she needs to tell her life story? "Hmm, maybe you get can an abortion.. but no, you should have kicked him." , "No, I don't think you should have an abortion, you should have used a better condom".
Did you even read my post? I mean, damn. I never insinuated anything of the sort. Abortion clinics don't ask you why you're there. Obviously you want an abortion. It's not their place to ask. If you're 18 or under, you need your guardian's consent, but that's about it. You get an abortion on your own free will, and you're not pressed for a reason as to why you're pregnant.
quote: It wasn't murder. They died from a secondary cause. No one stabbed them or shot them. Again, guilt may enter into it, but it's not a moral wrong
It is murder, Dante. Is the person who is having the abortion NOT killing the being inside her? Killing constitutes as murder. Guilt only enters the situation if the mother/father feel remorse for the moral wrong that hey have commited.
Take a freakin stand people, you can't say that abortion is wrong unless.... that's ridculous, i hate people that have gray areas, morality (which is what we're talking about) is a black and white issue.
Rape is a big issue that has been brought up, but having an abortion doesn't take away the fact that you were raped. I have personally met someone who was born from a rape victim, and he is now the preacher of the biggest church in texas, even though he was brought up in a family who couldn't afford to feed him, and he went weeks at a time without eating, but he overcame that. He thanks God everyday that his mother didn't go through with the abortion she wanted to have. Just because someone is born into a crappy situations doesn't mean they can't overcome that.
People need to stop using circumstances as an excuse, and just live life, not destroy it.
quote: Well, if they have a conscience and they take the life of another, then they'll know it was morally wrong. They have to live with the decision they make: murder. Of course it isn't legally wrong, but it should be. That's how I feel.
It wasn't murder. They died from a secondary cause. No one stabbed them or shot them. Again, guilt may enter into it, but it's not a moral wrong.
quote:Originally posted by fetch: So what if a person chose to have sex? What if the condom broke and they don't have enough money? (this is going to be affected by what i read in the newspaper today about peverty...). Right, so. A family with a couple of children. Mom, who just found out she's pregnent, loses her job. Now, getting a new job now is a tough deal. Why bring a new child into the world when the baby will probably die after a few months for lack of food? Or live, but suffer? nullDo you KNOW how many people are living on a slice of bread and a cucumber a day? And you think that's better than abortion? Have you ever FELT hunger? Or been born into a family that uses drugs, or has family sex, and so on? Not every person that gets an abortion is a 16 year old igrl who got drunk at a party and has sex with her boyfriend, you know.
And you mention rape. so a lot of anti-choicers say abortion is wrong UNLESS it's rape. So do you suggest that every time a woman wants an abortion she needs to tell her life story? "Hmm, maybe you get can an abortion.. but no, you should have kicked him." , "No, I don't think you should have an abortion, you should have used a better condom".
quote:The person choose to have sex (unless rape comes into the question) and it is not the fault of the unborn child that he/she was created.
So what if a person chose to have sex? What if the condom broke and they don't have enough money? (this is going to be affected by what i read in the newspaper today about peverty...). Right, so. A family with a couple of children. Mom, who just found out she's pregnent, loses her job. Now, getting a new job now is a tough deal. Why bring a new child into the world when the baby will probably die after a few months for lack of food? Or live, but suffer? Do you KNOW how many people are living on a slice of bread and a cucumber a day? And you think that's better than abortion? Have you ever FELT hunger? Or been born into a family that uses drugs, or has family sex, and so on? Not every person that gets an abortion is a 16 year old igrl who got drunk at a party and has sex with her boyfriend, you know.
And you mention rape. so a lot of anti-choicers say abortion is wrong UNLESS it's rape. So do you suggest that every time a woman wants an abortion she needs to tell her life story? "Hmm, maybe you get can an abortion.. but no, you should have kicked him." , "No, I don't think you should have an abortion, you should have used a better condom".
quote: You get to kick them out even if they're nice people because it's your house and you aren't obligated to support them
Well, you are obligated to support them to a certain extent. The person choose to have sex (unless rape comes into the question) and it is not the fault of the unborn child that he/she was created. I'm not a Christian, so I'm not going to go into all that, "God is the only one who can choose who can and can't live." I simply classify abortion as legal murder. Simple as that. It's legal and you are killing a living, developing human being.
quote: If they later die from exposure or malnutrition, sure you may feel guilty but in no way are you morally or legally guilty of anything.
Well, if they have a conscience and they take the life of another, then they'll know it was morally wrong. They have to live with the decision they make: murder. Of course it isn't legally wrong, but it should be. That's how I feel.
quote:Originally posted by artisticKnowledge: ok... if they're your kid, it's not THEIR fault they're disruptive or disobedient. It's the parents because they haven't taught their kids well. Also, if you kick your kid out of "your house" and they die of malnutrition or whatever, you are should be put in jail for neglecting your child.
Parasite?! What in the hell is in your head? parasites?! I'm pro-choice myself, but I've never heard ANYONE use such a term for "a bunch of cells", "that thing". You are sick; may you never have children. Your entire little paragraph was enough to simply make me 1}wanna hurl, & 2}turn pro-life! Faula420@earthlink.netFaula@bolt.com
ok... if they're your kid, it's not THEIR fault they're disruptive or disobedient. It's the parents because they haven't taught their kids well. Also, if you kick your kid out of "your house" and they die of malnutrition or whatever, you are should be put in jail for neglecting your child.
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