in my opinion abortion is murder if a woman is raped she can have the baby and give it up for adoption there are so many couples that want a baby and to many girls are having abortions so they are left childless hoping a girl will have the baby and give it up for adoption so they might have a chance to have a family
quote:all that you are is a bunch of cells. Just because that a fetus is composed of less cells doesn't mean that it isn't a human being. I find it sick that people can find it ok to murder their unborn CHILD. I find the comparison to the halocaust very meaningful... think about it, our government says its ok to kill your unborn child, the nazi government of germany said it was ok to kill jews. There really is no difference. Maybe people should start taking responsibilities for their action, instead of taking an easy way out.
Not because they have less cells, but they can't think yet, they're not yet ALIVE.
And how could you not see the difference? The people being killed during the Holocaust were ALIVE, people with feelings, who had a past and a future and families. Hitler said you can kill someone for their religon or sexual orientain. Abortion is just getting rid of the "baby" (it isn't a baby, but we won't get into that) you can't take care of.
People DO take responsablity for their actions. An abortion is it. If someone wasn't responsable, they'd not do anything. There was a prostitue who had a baby at home and claimed she didn't know she was pregnant. That's okay just because the baby isn't "dead"? Think about that baby. She probably used drugs during the pregnancy, which hurts his/her health. And she obviously can't take care of him/her, so the rest of it's life will be going from one foster home to the next, possibly being abused along the way. But that's obviously better than an abortion, right?
all that you are is a bunch of cells. Just because that a fetus is composed of less cells doesn't mean that it isn't a human being. I find it sick that people can find it ok to murder their unborn CHILD. I find the comparison to the halocaust very meaningful... think about it, our government says its ok to kill your unborn child, the nazi government of germany said it was ok to kill jews. There really is no difference. Maybe people should start taking responsibilities for their action, instead of taking an easy way out.
I also find it a bit annoying/insulting that you can abortion the "holocaust of our time". People killed in the holocaust were killed because of being gay/handicapped/a certain religon. Abortion is getting rid of a "baby" (=bunch of cells) you can't raise. There's nothing wrong with that, as opossed to kill humans who are already living.
sorry, but what about when a woman is raped and gets pregnant as a result? it wasn't her choice to have a baby! and, what if the person that was raped is a 15 year old straight A student? why should she let that ruin her life? I believe that until the organism growing inside of the uterus can sustain life outside the womb it does not qualify as human life. therefore, abortion is not murder. also, when anti-abortion zealots bomb an abortion clinic, killing innocent people, is that justified? i think not!! peace out!! luv, amanda
quote:Originally posted by kg: winddancer - according to north carolina state statistics (i assume this is where you're from, according to your profile), more than 11% of all state abortions were performed after 12 weeks of gestation. i reiterate - it is legal to get an abortion after 12 weeks of pregnancy.
Do y'all really think that everyone would stop having abortions just because they're illegal? Sure, probably less people would, but really desparate women would probably decide to have it done unprofessionally -- do you know how dangerous that is?
I see both sides of this issue. Yes it's wrong to kill a baby that's not even born yet. But the adoption homes are already crowded. If we totally outlawed abortion then the adoption homes would be even more crowded.
quote:My mom had an abortion and she regrets it still to this day.
yes, and i suppose if hundreds of thousands of unwanted children were delivered that the amount of regret in the world would be reduced?
the argument that someone has regret over having an abortion does not hold any strength in outlawing abortion - there are people that are extremely grateful/relieved that they have had an abortion.
quote:I couldn't live with myself knowing that I had killed an innocent child
quote:Who cares if it isn't what we call "fully developed" neither was I at that age and I thank god everyday for allowing me to be here.
So, by that reasoning, you also believe it's wrong to use birth control pills or the morning after pill, right? As well as any contraceptives? And it's immoral to let one sperm go to waste instead of letting it turn into a baby and live on, right?
Yo for all yall who dislike abortion, more power to ya. I think everyone deserves a chance to live on this Earth just as we do. Its sad when doctors can kill an innocent baby that has no way of defednding itself. Who cares if it isn't what we call "fully developed" neither was I at that age and I thank god everyday for allowing me to be here. My mom had an abortion and she regrets it still to this day. And don't give me that crap about it's a women's right to choose. It was her right to choose to lay down and have sex unprepared for the consequences. Afterall that's what sex was suppose to be about making a baby not having a little fun. I couldn't live with myself knowing that I had killed an innocent child and I don't see how anyone else can either. Oh and also it is so unfair that women have the overall choice in this matter, if a guy doesn't want his baby killed why shouldn't he keep it. If he is willing to care for it what does the mother care, she chose to have sex so she should have to literally deliver the consequences.:mad:
winddancer - according to north carolina state statistics (i assume this is where you're from, according to your profile), more than 11% of all state abortions were performed after 12 weeks of gestation. i reiterate - it is legal to get an abortion after 12 weeks of pregnancy.
A abortion is a very touchy subject that many people have different opinions on. I for one am all for it. I feel if the women feels she's not ready to bring a child in this world then that's her choice. Its nobody choice but HERS! It's not the guys chioce because he doesn't have to carry it for 9 months and go through labor and the women lifes changes more then his. I very glas abortion isn't illegal because if it was then people would do it illegally. If someone doesn't want there baby why force them to have it? Oh you might say "If you didn't want a baby you shouldn't have had sex." Yeah im sure when she was having sex her intention wasn't to get pregnuant or else she wouldn't be in this situation. Alot of people have sex for pleasure not to reproduce. And i say killing it now is better than the mother leaving it in a trash can and killing it later. Or it ending up in a orphanage for its whole life and being screwed up by the system. Its just a bunch of cells, and wearing a condem isn't that to be considered killing the baby? I mean its stoping the sperm form getting to the egg ie killing the baby before it was even born. Whether you agree with it or not people are going to do what they want to do. So lets just agree to disagree.
"many physicians choose not to perform abortions past 12 weeks (which is 3 months, not 4) due to the increase in complication risks." I never said it was 4 months. I know how to count; and I know plenty on pregnancies, been there twice.
"however, state laws often allow abortions up to 20 weeks at the discretion of the mother. many states stipulate that abortions performed after 20-24 weeks be out of medical necessity (eclampsia, ruptured uterus, e.g.) vs. simple choice." yes, i know this to be true, but I was not referring to special cases.
quote: if you want to do it for pleasure, than you should be aware and accept any consequences (pregnancy or STDs) involved.
i don't think that this is a very strong argument. if you get an STD from sex then you would treat it with medications - you shouldn't simply "accept" it as an unalterable consequence. abortion is in the same line of thinking.
if you're going to argue against abortion, argue that it involves a sacrifice of life. i don't think that you're going to win many converts with the "you had sex, you're pregnant, there's nothing you can do about it" argument.
quote:That's why women aren't allowed to have abortions after 12 weeks gestation.
this is not correct for most states. many physicians choose not to perform abortions past 12 weeks (which is 3 months, not 4) due to the increase in complication risks. however, state laws often allow abortions up to 20 weeks at the discretion of the mother. many states stipulate that abortions performed after 20-24 weeks be out of medical necessity (eclampsia, ruptured uterus, e.g.) vs. simple choice.
in the vast majority of cases, a woman who is 12 weeks pregnant and elects to have an abortion may currently have it done.
quote:Originally posted by artisticKnowledge: Some of you say that a baby can't really "feel" until it's 6 weeks old or something. I'm not exactly sure, but the basic point you're trying to make is that it doesn't feel when it's first born. If you insist on this theory, then tell me, why does a baby cry when you drop it? Why would a new born cry when you dropped it? Hmmm... maybe because it hurt?
Okay, whoever said that a newborn child cannot feel is obviously the one who was dropped on their head! A baby is said to be able to feel, see, touch, and hear with in the 4th month; that's when most everything begins to develop. That's why women aren't allowed to have abortions after 12 weeks gestation.
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