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Registered: May 06, 2002
Posts: 5
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The site suggested below for information on abortion, abortionfacts.com, is supported by the heritage foundation which is a very pro-life group. the information they provide is likely to be biased toward scaring you away from abortion. if you'd like to see information provided by a group that is not expressly anti-abortion (in fact they provide abortions), for comparison, look at the planned parenthood site, linked below, or run your own search with google. it's a good idea to check the agenda and mission statements of info sources you're basing decisions on. planned parenthood
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Registered: March 19, 2002
Posts: 140
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You're right Snatch. A woman's body is her own responsibility and choice. But the body and life inside her own is not. She have the right to take away another person's life.
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Registered: March 19, 2002
Posts: 140
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I don't think there is any gray area in abortion. The bottom line is that abortion is a way out of responsibility. An action that Americans have mastered. There's no excuse for killing a life. Period. And I think it's wrong to make excuses for doing such.
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Registered: July 15, 2002
Posts: 36
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Women's bodies are their own ****in' business. I am PRO CHOICE.
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Registered: June 25, 2002
Posts: 138
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sorry guys, my table thing got all screwed up but u can read the facts a lot easer at: abortionfacts.com under statistics....the facts are very interesting and very scary!
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Registered: June 25, 2002
Posts: 138
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Abortions are unique among all types of surgery.
The chart below reflects the situation in free standing abortion clinics in the U.S. To a greater or less extent, in every nation, abortion procedures are commonly exempt from the sanitary and professional rules required of other surgery.
SURGERY ABORTION ETHICAL Payment cash at door pay later Pathologic exam seldom routine Advertising routine rare Counseling usually a farce done if needed Second opinion never if needed Informed consent legally not Always required Kickbacks sometimes never Record keeping sketchy in detail Pre-Op Exam often not done detailed until she is on the table Follow up Exam none mandatory and detailed Correct diagnosis 10-15% done on surgeon is non-pregnant discipli- women ned if he does wrong op- erations. Husbands consent not needed expected Husband informed not necessary always Consent of parents not needed legally of minor required Parents informed seldom " " Tissue disposal in garbage in humane and dig- nified manner Burial in garbage yes, if large " " Surgical training not required absolutely enough required non-medical reasons 99% 1% cash kickbacks common forbidden
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Registered: June 25, 2002
Posts: 138
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I don't consider myself really pro-life or pro-choice, each situation is different and I try to view it that way. But for the most part I believe abortion is wrong. Such cases like incest or rape I think require more than just one view though. Those cases should be treated in whatever way a women decides. Obviously if a women has a serious physical problem and will die if she were to give birth to the baby she should look into having an abortion. But for teens who were stupid and didn't use a condom or if it broke, or whatever, I think abortions should not even be considered an option. They chose to do that, and they need to face their consequences. Killing an innocent human being is something I consider to be a horrible horrible crime.
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Registered: July 08, 2002
Posts: 126
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RandomInspiration... We're not judging against a person for killing an innocent child. You could know one of the nicest people in the world and they might want an abortion. Although abortions are bad, we shouldn't judge anyone for making the choice to do it. It's veryhard for me to understand why anyonewould want an abortion. There's nothing good about it. Abortion, is killing a baby. Giving it a shot in the head, a poison shot in the head after it's out of the mother. How is that at all good? I hope that those of you who are for abortions can understand why it's bad  .
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Registered: March 20, 2002
Posts: 193
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I dont think its so easy. If it were like that then it would be legal all over the world. Its not just what shes doing with her body, but also whats shes doing with a LIFE that is inside of her. No one has the right to decide over a life. Not even your mother, just because youre not fully grown it doesnt mean you're not a human. And the regret thing, i dont agree, many people steal and dont regret it later, so does that mean they can steal? no. I undestand people have reasons for doing this kind of things, and im ok when the reasons are really valid, but i know abortion cases in which the woman decided to do it cuz she was getting divorce, thats irresponsible, and a very comfortable decision.
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Registered: July 08, 2002
Posts: 3
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Abortion in my opinion is wrong, and that is something i would never do. The only problem i have with it, is the way america has tried to make laws against it. What a woman wants to do with her body is her thing, not mine. If she feels that she could live with the regret so be it. But i dont think that congress or anyone else has the right to say she cant, just because we think its wrong. I am not saying that i am fo it, im saying that people who are calling it a mass murder arent really right. People have there reasons, and as long as they can deal with the pain, let them, but dont judge them because of how they handle their business.
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Registered: July 08, 2002
Posts: 126
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As I am reading these boards, I am shocked that even TWO people would agree with abortions!! Regardless of wether or not you "weren't prepared" for pregnancy it was YOUR fault and your supposed to be responsible for the child. Killing it is just an easy way out. 
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Registered: July 08, 2002
Posts: 126
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Who cares about pain.... it doesn't matter wether it's painful or not (which it is). The doctors, give the baby a shot in the head and it kills it. How can someone stand to kill something so innocent. Even make that decision!! An innocent human, HUMAN life that they made and let grow in their own body!? Can you answer me this? 
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Registered: July 08, 2002
Posts: 7
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The baby didn't appear magically one day, you create it. Is not baby's fault that you made a mistake and now you don't want the baby cuz you think that it will ruin your life...Why don't you think that you could get pregnant before having sex?? It's your mistake, not baby's mistake...so why do u kill the baby?? If you don't want the baby you could put him in adoption makin' sure he will be with a good family and all that stuff...But killing it?? I don't think that's the best way of resolving the baby problem...
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Registered: March 20, 2002
Posts: 193
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yes I know that not many abortions are practiced in the second trimester, it was 9% in 1994, but its still something. Anyway if you find the paper id like to see it. Thanx a lot! bye..
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Registered: January 16, 2002
Posts: 559
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documentation that says they cannot feel pain before 6months at all is most likely not started till the end of the 7th month...I can look for the paper but Ia m not sure where it is...I wrote that paper a long time ago. BUt even if they feel at 5 months most abortions are dont way before then anyway.
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Registered: March 20, 2002
Posts: 193
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Actually, fetuses feel pain before the 7 months. They start feeling pain at 5 months, which is a probably conservatively late estimate, but it is scientifically solid. Elements of the pain-conveying system (spino-thalamic system) begin to be assembled at 7 weeks; enough development has occurred by 12-14 weeks that some pain perception is likely, and continues to build through the second trimester. By 20 weeks, the spino- thalamic system is fully established and connected. And a 20-30 week old fetus can feel more pain than adults, because in this period of time they are very sensitive, cuz the pain-modifying system is still developing. So yeah, thats my explanation. And if you want me to explain something else then I'm here.
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Registered: January 16, 2002
Posts: 559
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fetuses, until they are almost 7 months along, cannot feel anything. The reason that they "hold" things is an involuntary reaction like when dead peoples bodies tense. The reason they cannot feel until then is because the brains syapses havent formed until then. Would you like to tell me how a baby feels without a functioning brain because it is not possible.
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Registered: March 20, 2002
Posts: 193
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This a suject that appears like once a month in my class, cuz everyone is against abortion but one girl is pro abortion, and shes like the babies are not humans until they r born, which is a lie. When babies are in the womb they feel, it is know that they laugh and even cry, and suck their thumbs, which is something that makes them feel pleasure, ive heard doctors say that when they were doing an abortion the baby held their hand. Thats so sad!! I think that abortion is a horrible thing, I only support it when it is for therapeutical reasons, and if not done the baby or/and the moter would die. But I know that we can all say that we are against it, but maybe when we actually have to take this decision well think it twice, cuz its something really hard to do. Theres a lot of poverty in my country and the most poor women tend to have like 6 kids, and theyll just group to live in the streets or the slombs, and have horrible lives, but I dont think that this means we can kill a baby just because we think theyll be sad, cuz we really dont know how things will turn out.
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Registered: January 16, 2002
Posts: 559
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the only reason taht you would feel a loss of these people is because you met them which you would not have if they were aborted. BUt the fact is they were not. Their mother might or might not have had the choice to abort the child/children but they are here. In America we are given freedoms to choose many things and choosing something that will effect their life eternally is choice that we have and rightly schould have. It is not killing number one because it is not living nor could it sustain life outside of the womb, and two because the law says it is not. Those that are in favor of adoption or keeping the child should rightly do so, but those who choose not to should also have their freedom to choose. Your morales should not effect how they live and their values.
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Registered: March 17, 2002
Posts: 376
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liltrumpetgurl, I do agree with the use of the emergency contraceptive, or plan B. This is a way to prevent an unexpected pregnancy without damaging a fetus. This plan merely prevents conception, just as a condom would. The emergency contraceptive is not abortion, therefore, I will support it's use.
However, if someone has had unprotected sex and they have neither the resources nor desire to get this pill, then they have to deal with the consequences of their actions. Halting a life will not remedy what has happened.
"Also, if children are born unwanted then there are dire consequences to the mother and child. Wether the children are put up for adoption or kept. I think that the person here that gaver her side of it from as a young mother showed how this effect. It is medical fact."
Now, which is a more dire consequence? Putting it up for adoption/keeping it, or killing it? In the first senario, the child at least has a chance to become something. In the second, no chance. Abortion is willful ending of a life. Basically the same as murder, in my eyes.
And let's think about this people! Everyone here began as a single cell. What if you're parents decieded that you were going to be "inconvient" or "a mistake" or "a consequence of an action" and aborted you? You would not be here today. Most of the people in here are excellent debators and will accomplish much in the term of their life. However, what if you were never given that chance?
In any case, adoption and keeping the baby are much better choices than killing it. Adoption agencies are so concerned with finding perfect families for these children, that there is rarely a chance for abuse or neglect. I have an adopted brother. He was born with only one leg. What if his parents decieded that he wasn't worth the trouble because he had only one leg and they aborted him? This was the case, however it did take place in Ukraine. Also, my girlfriend and her brother are adopted twins. What if they were aborted? What if the mother decieded that she could not handle two kids?
In both of these cases, these children have loving homes. They are leading successful lives. What if that were all taken away? Even if the mother deciedes to keep the child, it will be better off. The mother realizes that her actions led to a pregnancy, yet she is mature enough to accept this fact and live with the consequences. She will support the child to the best of her ability because she knows that it is not the child's fault.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Abortion is the ultimate cop-out.
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