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Registered: October 31, 2001
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Ok....about the Africa thing...(I havent been on for a day or 2 so I'm catching up)...I believe that God has a plan for each and every person at conception. My mother was born terminally ill....she cannot get around an dabout like many other people and has a disease which has brought her immune system down to that of a victim of Aids. I believe God had a plan for my mother and still does. Even if my grandmother new during her preganancy that my mother would be sick most of her life she still would have given birth to her no matter what. Maybe those children in Africa who are born with Aids are going to fulfill a very large part of God's plan. NewayZzzz... I wanted to add one other thing. About the abortion...when my mother was pregnant with me she went to see a doctor to be checked over and make sure every thing was going well with me. This b@$t@rd she went to see told her that I was not going to be normal or healthy , and that she should have an abortion because it would be better for her and easier just to get me out of the way. Well , guess what? It's pretty obvious she said no! I'd love to find him someday and ask him..,"Well , do I look sick or retarded to you?" just to see what that pig has to say. I believe e ery aborted baby was murdered and sadly think to myself.."What could have been." And for a last note....when it comes to guilt. My mother's friend just happened to get pregnant around the same time as my mother , but she ended up having an abortion. My mother tried to talk her out of it , but her mind was set. I remember the first time me and my mother talked about abortion she told me about this. She also told me that her friend was very upset after. When I was growing up and she would see her friend the woman couldnt stand to look at me because every time she did she thought about how there could have been her child there growing up with me. I hope no one else makes this mistake later on in life. That woman was overflowing with guilt and there was nothing anyone could do about it. Her child was dead . And it really was her fault. |
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Registered: September 18, 2001
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no, i personally haven't, but pretty much my whole church has (i'm going next year).... and every single one has reported very grateful people for what they have. Now, youre probably gonna say something like "well YOU have never been so you don't know for sure...." well, have you? do you have over 200 friends who have been? have you asked the people there if they HATE living? if they'd rather be dead? ok, so give the africa thing a break. |
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Registered: August 04, 2001
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No i've never been to Africa, but I am knowledgeable enough about the human condition to know that people were born to live, not to die. Abortion is nothing short of murder. If you support abortion and not murder than you are a hypocrite. |
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Registered: December 12, 2001
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The choices you make when your pregnant are really important. Whether your in school or not.... I mean if your in school it doesn't necessarly mean you have to drop out of school.. you'd just be screwing your life up as well as your childs. You wouldn't be able to get a good job to support it or yourself. But not giving the child a chance to live is wrong! The way I see it is that if you think that you know enough about sex and that you should wear a condom, and you don't.... that you should take on the consequences of your mistake of being stupid and thinking that it will never happen to you. Because having a child is the most precious thing in the world. Especially when you feel him or her kicking inside you and you know that its your own little creation... But to kill it, is just un human to me! Any one who wants to email me can do so at: luvin_u23@yahoo.com
Kelli
16 Antigo wisconsin
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Registered: November 03, 2001
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Have you been to Africa??? Have you ask these children if they think that they would rather not have been born at all than go through the suffering of AIDs and hunger?????????????
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Registered: September 18, 2001
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i didn't read your post very well did i?! please forgive me, i was very rude.
forgive me?!?!?!
I feel very bad about how i said that, when i didn't even read your post right.
Many apologies; I shouldn't have done that.   |
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Registered: September 18, 2001
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what you dont know, is that actually, my church has MANY churches in africa! Actually, a group of us go there every year on a medical trip, and help the people out, while sharing the Bible with them. They are some of the most appreciative people ever. And when asked if they are glad to be alive, believe me. They appreciate life more than most people here! So, yeah, now YOU can go to Africa, k? |
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Registered: August 04, 2001
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They lead miserable lives and are starving to death, it's a good thing they were born? Go to Africa! Yes, i mean it... Go to Africa and ask those children and suffering people, if they'd rather be dead, then fighting for life. Some are so desperate they may say yes, and yet to even suggest that these people are better off dead and should never have been born, is a cruel and absolutely disgusting comment.
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Registered: September 18, 2001
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"People who choose to remove a "child" (if that is your definition of a child, let's go with that) because they don't want the child is saving the kid the pain of not having parents (biological) that want them and value them or the embaressment of not having an educated parent." At least we established that its a life. As for the thing about biological parents, i bet if you went up to a person whose parent adopted them, i KNOW they'd love them just the same as if it was their birth parents (unless the parents are abusive, etc.) so that's a weak argument. if you think that's reason enough to kill a child, by all means, feel free to do so. Although, how one can do so with a clean conscience is SO way beyond me. |
Registered: October 31, 2001
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is a human being at conception. The instant those 2 reproductive tissues collide there is life. Abortion is like I said before ...the same as hiring a hitman to kill your living child! If a baby wasnt alive the first few months then how come scientific research has shown a baby hiccups , sleeps , and moves inside you long before you can see? The only other thing I have to say is if it is true that a baby can hear you talk while in the womb then I hope that baby that is about to be aborted doesnt hear it's very own mother giving the a/ok. Makes me sad.
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Registered: November 03, 2001
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Selfish parents are parents who bring children into the world when they are not going to raise them, an unwanted child is an unwanted child! Children are abused and neglected all over the world and they have selfish parents. People who choose to remove a "child" (if that is your definition of a child, let's go with that) because they don't want the child is saving the kid the pain of not having parents (biological) that want them and value them or the embaressment of not having an educated parent.
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Registered: September 18, 2001
Posts: 135
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Registered: September 18, 2001
Posts: 135
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ok, to whoever made the comment regarding women who are raped and become pregnant: ok, lets pretend we're just talking about them, and not the millions of other girls out there who just screw up their own lives. ok, so lets say that its ok to have an abortion if you were raped. Does that justify the millions of other abortions each year, made my selfish parents? |
Registered: September 19, 2001
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I am COMPLETELY appauled at PrincessL's classic liberal question of "why is it ok to kill animals and not humans?" It is always easier to feel than to think, but this is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard. It is ok because deer, cows, squirrels, oppossums, elephants, tigers, ETC... are lower on the sophistication chain than humans, if they were higher they would have civilizations and such. Just think about the craziness of the statement: "Cows are smarter than humans". Let's leave the animals out of the abortion debate for goodness sake. NO MATTER WHAT THE CIRCUMSTANCES A CHILD SHOULD NEVER BE KILLED. That's it. No exceptions. Life begins at the time an egg is FERTILISED. The eggs that people eat would never grow into "baby chicks" because they weren't fertilised by a male while they were in the hen's body. thanks for listening. Please reply directly to me if you would. I like a good debate. -"Freedom is not Free" Korean War Memorial, Washington D.C. |
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Registered: November 03, 2001
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Saying abortion is homicide is like trying a hunter for manslaughter. They're not even formed yet! It's not a baby! Okay, if you were brought into this world as an unwanted child, would that be better than you (well actually, a little half delveloped it) not being born. What about the starving children in Africa? They lead miserable lives and are starving to death, it's a good thing they were born? And if someone is raped, or becomes pregnant in high school, they should drop out of school, not go to college to have a good life, but spend their years raising a child instead of having a normal life? How could you say that. This isn't a question of just not having sex, people do get raped you know
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Registered: November 07, 2001
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I couldn't agree more. Abortion is murder. There is no justification to killing innocent lives.
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Registered: August 14, 2001
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Please, for all our sakes... try not to bring your own personal religion into this AGAIN. This country is built on the separation of church and state. The decision to outlaw abortion should be backed by simply ethical reasons that are supported by humanity as a whole (not taking a human life is one, I'll give pro-life people that...), but should NOT be decided simply on religious reasons. Unfortunately, quite a few politicians take their religion (almost always Christianity) into account everytime they sign a bill that will affect EVERYONE, whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Wiccan, Buddist, Atheist, etc, etc. I guess I'm saying this so that certain people (ahem, cough, Fig, cough cough) won't come in here and get us started on a huge religious debate. You know what I mean  And to the person who called pro-choice people hypocrites, knock it off. Lets not have any outright name-calling here. This is already a sensitive debate enough as it is. (Keep in mind, I used to be pro-life, too) If I accidentally offended anyone, I'm sorry. My communication skills are not always that great.  |
Registered: August 14, 2001
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Gooberfinch, I used to think the exact same thing. But not anymore. I disapprove of abortion as well, but if we outlaw it in this country, do you know what will happen? Desparate young women who cannot afford to care for a baby, maybe who can't let their parents find out (they might be kicked out of the house), will go to even more gruesome means to get an abortion. I've heard stories of young girls who get abortions using COATHANGERS! Sometimes the woman herself is hurt in the process. And wealthy women will be able to fly to another country where abortion IS legal and get one, while impovershed women will be forced to raise an unwanted child or try to give it up for adoption. (As for the adoption thing: there are so many foster children, unwanted and unloved in this country alone, and with all the new fertilization treatments, there will be even more, because most couples would rather have their own children than adopt someone else's) Would you rather that a woman get an abortion (is a human embryo even a life in the first place...?), or raise an unwanted child,(maybe even abusing it) only to have this unloved child grow up to be another unwanted homeless person or even another hardened criminal? And if he becomes a murderer, he could even be sentenced to the death penalty, which many pro-life people, for some reason, advocate (in my experience, anyway). As I said before, I don't ever want an abortion (except in maybe emergency situations), and I try to discourage people from getting them, but I firmly believe that if a woman insists on getting one, she should at least be able to do it safely by a professional she can trust. (deep sigh) Thank you very much  |
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Registered: October 12, 2001
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I agree with you PrincessL! Some of you are saying that if you don't what a baby than don't have one, but what if you're raped and become pregnant? Or if you use protection and still get pregnant? ex. the condom breaks. I have a friend who was on the pill and she still got pregnant. The pill is 98% effective and a condom can break, so if you do protect yourself there is still a chance that you could become pregnant. If something like that happens, shouldn't you be able to have a choice about getting an abortion?
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Registered: September 18, 2001
Posts: 135
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hey- I'm gonna suggest that you people visit www.rockforlife.org All you pro-life people will appreciate it, and for the pro-choice people it will explain how and why abortion is murder.... it basically has tons of facts on it, and it's very helpful.  |
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