well you say its a womans personal decision. ITS ALSO HER PERSONAL DECISION TO HAVE SEX IN THE FIRST PLACE!!!!!!!!!!!!! unless it is a rape case, that is. however, abortion is wrong, no matter what. its hard to be pregnant when you dont want to be, but what are you going to do? say"oh well ill just kill the person who is trying to rape me. ill kill the doctors who make me come in for an ultrasound and tell me that my child is mentally retarded. ill kill the teachers who tell me i cant finish high school. ill kill my child because they werent planned, and im scared, because i have no other choice"? do you know how many children, on average, are killed per day in their mothers' wombs because they think they have no other choice? 4,200. That's four thousand, two hundred innocent souls PER DAY who are murdered. Yeah rape is wrong but have you ever heard the saying that two wrongs don't make a right?
Ok whiponher or is windpanter whatever. I did not want you to take it as a personal attack but when I read your board post I could not help but think that you were lacking brains. I am happy to hear that you chose to keep your children. Now as for rehashing all of my quotes, what was the point? Did it validate your points any more than shouting off curse words. Now as for the protection issue even condoms are not 100% protection. Didnt you read the directions? Spelling someones screen name wrong doesnt help you support your arguments either. Now I did not want to put you down but the way you act and your reasoning for what you have done is the reason why I did, not because I made myself feel better, so get the reasons straight!
Look, I believe abortion is wrong but it is the woman choice to do what she places, I'm not going to criticize you, there's no point to that, all that would happen is what is happening right now, all DISAGREEMENT and NOT RESPECTING what the others believe in, just trying to prove them wrong. There's no wrong or right answer, is what you believe in. I think it's wrong as easy as that. There's so many situtions 1. you get raped (I'm sorry if anyone has been) ----->A)if you want to, get an abortion B)just bit your lip and take the pain so that baby could have a life with a family who would really love that child or C) take care of the baby yourself. 2. You have sex then you got pregnant---> Its either A B Or C Which one would you get? 3. The doctor says your baby might have a phycial or mental illiness......What are you going to do then? It's all your choice and I'm not going to sit here telling you how wrong you are for thinking abortion is right. But I don't think it's right and there's always another way instead of abortion (this world isn't only Black and White) I hope everyone here COULD RESPECT WHAT I BELIEVE IN and WHAT THE OTHERS BELIEVE IN TOO Bye N Have a nice day Everyone Cindy
Very interesting, you act like its some kind of a fluke. Oh I had unprotected sex and the darndest thing happened I got pregnant.<< Ooh, darnest thing, it wasn't unprotected! :roll eyes:
>>Now lets see you dont think a woman who has a child should raise that child? Ok so what then? Do we put them out to the curb to be thrown out with the trash?
No, don't twist this around. I said hypothetically, if the woman doesn't want the child, doesn't believe in abortion, w/ or w/o disabilities does not have to care for him/her! Could you, I dunno, read it b4 you reply to it, dumba$$ is it, oh sorry, Dumars. :roll eyes:
>>The facts oh boy lets see someone makes a choice to make love, gets pregnant but shouldnt take responsibility for there choice.
Okay, so you have a problem with abortioners and adoptioners too! Wow, you really hate 'em all, don't ya!?
Now as for the world being over populated, maybe you should go and get fixed so the next time you have a woops with your third man you wont over populate the world.
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I don't wanna burst your inflated bubble, but nothing you say, nor anyone else for that matter, will bring me down, think terribly of myself or my actions. Yes, I was engaged at 16 to a 21 yr old man, got pregnant, got out. I love my boys, never implied otherwise. And also yes, I was engaged to my jr. high sweetheart just last year, got pregnant, got left behind. Do I regret it? Hell no! And my point being made is I've been there, considering abortion, considering adoption, and considering full time parenthood. I'm proud of my decisions, but I will not look down on others for not choosing the same paths I have. So, you go ahead, build yourself up by putting me, & others, down, go ahead. I've heard it all, from people who matter, and you my dear do not!
Well I dont like to get into he said she said but I guess I can indulge a little today. Now lets see, you were engaged both times you got pregnant. Ok I got it, lets move on. Ok you had both of your children, am I correct so far? Ok you get pregnant and your not ready for it? Very interesting, you act like its some kind of a fluke. Oh I had unprotected sex and the darndest thing happened I got pregnant. You act as if a deer darted out in front of your car and it supprised you that you were pregnant when you had unprotected love making. I dont think I have ever in my life meet someone who acts like getting pregnant was a fluke! Come on, whats next you drink and drive and get pulled over and dont know why the cops put you in jail when you were swearving to avoid the other cars coming at you because you were driving in the wrong lane? Now as for the child growing up in an orphanage. I would rather a child be given a chance then no chance at all! Even a child with disabilities can grow into a successful adult. Now lets see you dont think a woman who has a child should raise that child? Ok so what then? Do we put them out to the curb to be thrown out with the trash? Now I know that raising a child is a big responsibility but come on, you made a desicion to make love and now your pregnant so you should not take responsibility for you actions. That is what you typed and it is by far the stupidist reason I have ever read or heard anyone use as an excuss. The facts oh boy lets see someone makes a choice to make love, gets pregnant but shouldnt take responsibility for there choice. Now as for the world being over populated, maybe you should go and get fixed so the next time you have a woops with your third man you wont over populate the world.
>>Well you should have thought about that pain before you engaged in...<<
Excuse you! I'm proud of my decisions, I wouldn't have it any other way. And FYI as if it was, I was engaged when I got pregnant, both times!!
>>how can you be so ignorant to the fact that you made the choice to make love and now that you are pregnant abortion is the only way out.<<
Abortion wasn't my decision. I had my kids! But you can't ignore the facts! Say, you get pregnant, okay, you're not ready for a child, okay, so a few months go by You tell Dr.s 'well, I'll give it up for adoption' they say okay, make the arrangements. 7th months gets near & oops something's wrong with the baby. after all you did to get/stay/be healthy, there's some defects. You still aren't ready to keep the baby. They have to take it out now or you both die! Premature, physically deformed, and no suitable parents. This child grows up in the orphanage, never given any chances, and who do we have here: the next freakin' Unabomber!!
>>You made a bad choice but please stop the ignorance and stupidity. Dont play dumb and use pain as an excuss to take a life. This is just another example of why young people are looked down upon.<<
I've never taken a life, but I do not / will not look down on or criticize those who do.
>>If everyone used the excuse oh I was in pain thats why I killed that guy/girl and the pain is my excuss so forgive me. Come on thats the most rediculous thing I have ever heard anyone say, the pain oh the pain.<<
What the he11 are you talking about?! I was stating that a female should not have to go through the pain and torment and responsibilties of growing up and & being a full time parent, if she's going to give the baby to an institution to hold on to it until a family decides to take it. The world is over populated enough already!! You are the "people" who need to grow up and face the g-dam{n facts!!
quote: Ok, from my standpoint, I'm not gonna sit here and say that God says it wrong, and blah, blah, blah. Don't get me wrong, I still think abortion is a horrible thing, but I believe that it's murder. It's a fact, actually, I don't understand how anyone would see it otherwise. You are a killing a human being, now whether this human is still inside the womb and maybe only a month old, it is still murder! And I don't even wanna hear about how horrible labor is...hundred's of women go through it each and every day, and most of these women are so grateful when their child is in their arms after that the pain was worth it!! There is a simple solution to this problem, if you're not willing or able to have a baby, whether that be the raising a baby or going through the labor...you shouldn't be goin around having sex!! And I have to add that going through labor is the most ridiculous reason for an abortion and Susan Smith did not sink her children because she couldn't have an abortion, she sank and killed her children because she was just plain psycho!! There is no excuse for what she did, either way I think she would've been wrong, murdering her children when they two months old in the womb or two years old, same thing to me!! I think it's still murder!!
It must be wonderful living in a completely sheltered world where you've never heard of the word rape. I suggest you grab the nearest dictionary and look that up before saying abortion is wrong because you shouldn't have had sex. If by chance you HAVE heard of it, or you're done looking it up, do you think abortion is still wrong? Do you think that it's only right in the case of rape? What would you do...ask each individual woman if she was raped? Just curious.
Well you should have thought about that pain before you engaged in the meat torpedo. Sucka, how can you be so ignorant to the fact that you made the choice to make love and now that you are pregnant abortion is the only way out. You made a bad choice but please stop the ignorance and stupidity. Dont play dumb and use pain as an excuss to take a life. This is just another example of why young people are looked down upon. No one wants to take reponsibility for their actions in life. You guys want it your way or the highway, and life is not like that! One day you are going to wake up and realize that playing ignorant and using excusses will get you nowhere in life. If everyone used the excuss oh I was in pain thats why I killed that guy/girl and the pain is my excuss so forgive me. Come on thats the most rediculous thing I have ever heard anyone say, the pain oh the pain. You want to talk about pain try running 13 blocks after youve been shot in the leg then tell me about pain. Or how about have someone stab you with a knife and then walk to the hospital 9 blocks away. Thats pain or how about pass a gall stone then we can talk about pain.
quote:Ok, from my standpoint, I'm not gonna sit here and say that God says it wrong, and blah, blah, blah.
Just in cause you did, I'd like to remind you and everyone that the bible doesn't count a fetus as a life.
quote:Don't get me wrong, I still think abortion is a horrible thing, but I believe that it's murder.
Pro-choice does not equal anti-life, y'know. We don't go around trying to convince people to have abortions. What's cruel, I can;t see.
quote:It's a fact, actually, I don't understand how anyone would see it otherwise.
Maybe because we think the existing human- the mother- deserves more rights? And because in every way possible- biolegy and if you want to believe the bible- it's NOT considered a life yet.
quote:You are a killing a human being, now whether this human is still inside the womb and maybe only a month old, it is still murder!
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quote: And I don't even wanna hear about how horrible labor is...hundred's of women go through it each and every day, and most of these women are so grateful when their child is in their arms after that the pain was worth it!!
A lot of women use painkillers while giving birth. Some don't mind the pain, because they want the baby. Not everyone does. And some women are already fragile, and having a baby could kill them or bring them damage. Every woman is different.
quote:There is a simple solution to this problem, if you're not willing or able to have a baby, whether that be the raising a baby or going through the labor...you shouldn't be goin around having sex!!
People make mistakes. Or think they can have a baby but then realize they can't- like losing their jobs and then finding out they're pregnant. Plus, people get raped. There's millions of situations.
quote:And I have to add that going through labor is the most ridiculous reason for an abortion and Susan Smith did not sink her children because she couldn't have an abortion, she sank and killed her children because she was just plain psycho!!
Psycho, hmm, that's nice. It's easy just to write someone off as crazy instead of trying to understand and preventing it from happenening again, isn't it?
quote:There is no excuse for what she did, either way I think she would've been wrong, murdering her children when they two months old in the womb or two years old, same thing to me!! I think it's still murder!!
I agree that what she did was wrong. She should have had an abortion.
And there are millions of kids waiting to be adopted, so adoption isn't a solution. Why do I even bother? It's not liek you guys are reading this. You just come here, announce it's murder, and don't bother with what anyone says.
Ok, from my standpoint, I'm not gonna sit here and say that God says it wrong, and blah, blah, blah. Don't get me wrong, I still think abortion is a horrible thing, but I believe that it's murder. It's a fact, actually, I don't understand how anyone would see it otherwise. You are a killing a human being, now whether this human is still inside the womb and maybe only a month old, it is still murder! And I don't even wanna hear about how horrible labor is...hundred's of women go through it each and every day, and most of these women are so grateful when their child is in their arms after that the pain was worth it!! There is a simple solution to this problem, if you're not willing or able to have a baby, whether that be the raising a baby or going through the labor...you shouldn't be goin around having sex!! And I have to add that going through labor is the most ridiculous reason for an abortion and Susan Smith did not sink her children because she couldn't have an abortion, she sank and killed her children because she was just plain psycho!! There is no excuse for what she did, either way I think she would've been wrong, murdering her children when they two months old in the womb or two years old, same thing to me!! I think it's still murder!!
Excuse me! Just how many of you "killing is wrong, adoption is the way out" people have been in labor. Not C-sectioners, not even luckies w/ epidurals or IV drugs. I mean the 13 to 20 hour labor pains with ABSOLUTELY NO PAIN KILLERS! Go through this horrific pain, and then come back on here and tell us "evil pro-choicers" that we're wrong. Tell us its worth the pain (20 hrs for the mother, 20+ years for the child)!! Just about all of you people don't even know what its like, what you would/will do in such situations. All you do is speak of God, and that He says its wrong! Susan Smith didn't want to be a mother. So, she locked her kids in the trunk of a car, and sank it! She didn't want them before that, and she didn't get abortions because of PEOPLE LIKE YOU!Faula420@earthlink.net
ChristianSoldier says: >>and Our Creator should be listened to above anything that you or I have to say, because Our Creator (God) knows best. If He says we shouldn't murder anybody, I KNOW that we all ought to listen,<<
So if your God (or the voices in your head you believe is God) starts telling us we should kill, whatever will we do? Will you be first in line? Faula420@earthlink.net
abortion is wrong so is euthanasia (excuse my spelling) its taking a life if a woman doesnt want the baby she can have the baby and then give the baby up for adoption there are hundreds of couples all over the USA who cant have children and want children if ur mother had an abortion you would be here writing back to this poll Mother Teresa said "How can there be too many children? that is like saying there are too many flower." i am in the Right 2 Life Club at my school we put this quote in a display to benifit Right 2 Life Month (january) andrea aka Hey You!!
I am pro-choice, I believe a woman has the right to do what she wants. People think if they banish abortion it will all just stop and all women will stop getting them. Well, actually, a lot of woman wont stop getting them and many will die, becuase they will get it done illegally in unsanitary places and places that arent safe. They could get an infection or maybe the person giving the abortion isn't really a doctor, and they might do the procedure wrong, and the woman might bleed to death. Just think about that.
quote: You said that you "cant have one rule for everybody." I totally agree! Like that whole "no murdering other humans" thing... I mean, maybe it's convenient sometimes! Everything is relevant.
No murdering other humans huh? What I don't get is why the fanatical pro-lifers aren't making much noise about capital punishment. I'll support the abolishment of abortion when I see the abolishment of the death penalty.
You said that you "cant have one rule for everybody." I totally agree! Like that whole "no murdering other humans" thing... I mean, maybe it's convenient sometimes! Everything is relevant.
Okay...sarcasm gone. I normally don't use sarcasm to get a point across, but hey, when you give ultimatums like the one I listed above... they will be shot down.
i dont think that abortions should be considered, or ar murder. becaue there are many reasons why a woman would have an abortion, and not always because they just plain dont want it. its a womans body, and a woman personal decision.
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