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Originally posted by lafweird:
voiceofamerica do you really believe you are speaking for all of america? because that is very wrong of you. no one person can represent the voice of america, because America is a place with a lot of variety and freedom of speech and ideas and belief, and unless you are absolutely sure that EVERY SINGLE PERSON believes what you believe, dont claim to be speaking for all of us.

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sorry to voiceofamerica, i was just venting and never should have aimed it at you or put it in this thread...

Agreed. I once had a neighbor who seemed to be a psychopath.

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Originally posted by CelticNewAger:
No, they wouldn't get divorced because she'd probably shoot him.

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Or he will get so pissed one day he would accidentally kill her. Then he would get whats coming.

No, they wouldn't get divorced because she'd probably shoot him.

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Divorce is a perversion of marriage. Couples should never divorce unless a spouse is bieng cheated on.

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If I were to follow the above quote, then that would lead me to believe that a woman should stay married to a man even if he beats her severely every day. Uhm, no? -.-

voiceofamerica do you really believe you are speaking for all of america? because that is very wrong of you. no one person can represent the voice of america, because America is a place with a lot of variety and freedom of speech and ideas and belief, and unless you are absolutely sure that EVERY SINGLE PERSON believes what you believe, dont claim to be speaking for all of us.

Based on that misinformation, one could assume that all men are sex machines. But, since that's a load of crap, we can just throw it out the window and move on with the discussion.

A.THat website is biased. Find us a website that isn't biased as proof.
B. A hooker won't have 500 partners in her sex life.
C.You are basically saying that gay men are **** machines.

Divorce is a perversion of marriage? So basically about 65% of the American population are perverts, owing to the fact that about 10% are homosexual and the divorce rate is high, and a little extra for allowing more of your idiotic claims to slip through.

Oh, and honey, if you do the math, your numbers do not work to be as impressive as you would like them to be. 43 percent of white gay males doesn't account for several things: minority gay males, and those closet cases and everyone else that didn't get the chance of participating in that study. Also, gay men, just like straight men (and gay women and straight women and everyone) take a lot of pride in their sex life and probably exaggerated. Especially with the "500+ partners" thing. Unless these guys live in a house with people with multiple personalities, or communes of thousands of other gay men (which, by the way, do NOT exist) that is ridiculously unlikely.

In a much shorter argument, for each of the couples in that study, there are thousands, many many thousands, that have been monogamous and that do have a lifetime committment which does equal the committment of a "traditional" marriage.

Committment, love, monogamy, and friendship know no gender specifics.

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Originally posted by sleeprocker:
If they aren't married there's no committment??? Tell me, what about couples that get married but get divorced?? Committment? TEMPORARY!!!

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Divorce is a perversion of marriage. Couples should never divorce unless a spouse is bieng cheated on.

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And look at all the gay couples that have been together for longer than lots of married straight couples. They technically aren't married, but there's plenty of committment.

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That is simply not true.

http://www.frc.org/get.cfm?i=IS01B1#edn13

Homosexual Promiscuity. Studies indicate that the average male homosexual has hundreds of sex partners in his lifetime:

· A.P. Bell and M.S. Weinberg, in their classic study of male and female homosexuality, found that 43 percent of white male homosexuals had sex with 500 or more partners, with 28 percent having 1,000 or more sex partners.[9]

· In their study of the sexual profiles of 2,583 older homosexuals published in Journal of Sex Research, Paul Van de Ven et al., found that only 2.7 percent claimed to have had sex with one partner only. The most common response, given by 21.6 percent of the respondents, was of having a hundred-one to five hundred lifetime sex partners.[10]

· A survey conducted by the homosexual magazine Genre found that 24 percent of the respondents said they had had more than a hundred sexual partners in their lifetime. The magazine noted that several respondents suggested including a category of those who had more than a thousand sexual partners.[11]

· In his study of male homosexuality in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, M. Pollak found that "few homosexual relationships last longer than two years, with many men reporting hundreds of lifetime partners."[12]

Promiscuity among Homosexual Couples. Even in those homosexual relationships in which the partners consider themselves to be in a committed relationship, the meaning of "committed" typically means something radically different from marriage.

· In The Male Couple, authors David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison reported that in a study of a hundred-fifty-six males in homosexual relationships lasting from one to thirty-seven years,

Only seven couples have a totally exclusive sexual relationship, and these men all have been together for less than five years. Stated another way, all couples with a relationship lasting more than five years have incorporated some provision for outside sexual activity in their relationships.[13]
· In Male and Female Homosexuality, M. Saghir and E. Robins found that the average male homosexual live-in relationship lasts between two and three years.[14]


9. A. P. Bell and M. S. Weinberg, Homosexualities: A Study of Diversity Among Men and Women (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1978), pp. 308, 9; see alsoBell, Weinberg and Hammersmith, Sexual Preference (Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1981).
10. Paul Van de Ven et al., "A Comparative Demographic and Sexual Profile of Older Homosexually Active Men," Journal of Sex Research 34 (1997): 354. Dr. Paul Van de Ven reiterated these results in a private conversation with Dr. Robert Gagnon on September 7, 2000.
11. "Survey Finds 40 percent of Gay Men Have Had More Than 40 Sex Partners," Lambda Report, January/February 1998, p. 20.
12. M. Pollak, "Male Homosexuality," in Western Sexuality: Practice and Precept in Past and Present Times, edited by P. Aries and A. Bejin, pp. 40-61, cited by Joseph Nicolosi in Reparative Therapy of Male Homosexuality (Northvale, New Jersey: Jason Aronson Inc., 1991), pp. 124, 25.
13. David P. McWhirter and Andrew M. Mattison, The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop (Englewood Cliffs, New Jersey: Prentice-Hall, 1984), pp. 252, 3.
14. M. Saghir and E. Robins, Male and Female Homosexuality (Baltimore: Williams and Wilkins, 1973), p. 225; L.A. Peplau and H. Amaro, "Understanding Lesbian Relationships," in Homosexuality: Social, Psychological, and Biological Issues, edited byJ. Weinrich and W. Paul (Beverly Hills: Sage, 1982).

I believe bush is insane to think that by taking condoms, birth control and the morning after pill away that he is going to stop underage sex. O.K. lemme give you guys some help, uhh, we will have sex... condoms, birth control, or morning after pill or not. the pull out method will be used instead, and the teenage pregnancy rate will SOAR! *note* even if a guy does pull out, there is still a 68% chance of pregnancy. pre-*** can get a woman pregnany. expecially when we are so young, our hormone levels are so high, it does not take much to get us women pregnant. but thats just my opinion.

If they aren't married there's no committment??? Tell me, what about couples that get married but get divorced?? Committment? TEMPORARY!!!

And look at all the gay couples that have been together for longer than lots of married straight couples. They technically aren't married, but there's plenty of committment.

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Originally posted by sleeprocker:
Not necessarily temporary, VoA. Many relationships in which the participants have sex are long-term ones.

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If the couple isn't married, it might as well be temporary because there is no commitment, and therefore on assurence that it will be long-term beyond how long it has already lasted.

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And I don't have any idea how you can say that you enjoy being free of desire. Desire is what drives us, you can't just take that away.

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Yes they do drive us, but the question is how much? They should be in our lives, but they shouldn't define who we are. Who we are should define our desires.

Hey realitycheck, I don't think you're a hypocrite. There's a lot of people that seem to get abortions as conveniences, not because of a medical reason, or because of some sort of sexual assault. My weak spot on that, though, is some 14-16 year-old that is pregnant because she had sex and wasn't careful... I feel like they should be able to choose because having a kid at that age is dangerous, but it's their own fault they are where they are....

As for you, northstar, I'm sorry about your girlfriend. That's always unfortunate.

hm...that's interesting, i didn't know Bush had banned the morning after pill. I would think though that if you were to be raped and you got yourself to a clinic or hospital that they would be permitted to use them, or am i wrong???
I've always been pro bush because, I know some of Kerry's views are pro-abortion, which HECK NO WE WON'T GO, I'm so anti-abortion. Though, some may call me somewhat of a hypocrite because if a girl is raped I feel that she should have the option to get an abortion.
I think contraception should be taught in schools. I know it's a subject that some parents and teens alike are a little touchy on, but if you're planning to have sex with someone, which I don't endorse AT ALL! ((WAIT TILL YOU'RE MARIED!!)) Then you should at least be prepared. I mean especially with sex being endorsed in our media now more than ever, society has changed dramatically and those people who are adapting to that stereotypical "sex sells" lifestyle needs to be informed!!!

P.s. I THOUROUGHLY BELIEVE THAT YOU SHOULDN'T
HAVE SEX UNTIL YOU'RE MARIED, and if you
don't listen to me then please at least
use protection!

Abstinence is good if you stick to it. I was able to, in my last relationship. My girlfriend though...was not, and therefore went out with someone from her school on the side. Nice.

Not necessarily temporary, VoA. Many relationships in which the participants have sex are long-term ones.

And I don't have any idea how you can say that you enjoy being free of desire. Desire is what drives us, you can't just take that away.

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Originally posted by sleeprocker:
"self control" limits the possibilities of experiencing something that could be quite rewarding, even if it is a little risky.

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But if you are saving youself for marriage that reward is experienced in its fullness and not tainted or cheapend by something that was extremely temporary.

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It also doesn't exactly make you a better person. If anything it makes you appear much more uptight and that, not your self control, would be the reason no one would sleep with you.

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Yes it does, for those who save themselves are not controled by desires that are only temporary. It's not bieng uptight, its being free from the desires of your body.

"self control" limits the possibilities of experiencing something that could be quite rewarding, even if it is a little risky.

It also doesn't exactly make you a better person. If anything it makes you appear much more uptight and that, not your self control, would be the reason no one would sleep with you.

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Originally posted by northstar316:
"I think that Absinence is good, in theory."

So is communism, but we all see what happened when humans are mixed with theory

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So explain to me how could a little bit of self control ever be a bad thing?