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I researched this I know.

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That's nice. However, I don't know what to think about half of what you posted. That's why you can do this little favor for me:

Please show us EVERY last one of your sources, and if it has 'pro-life' or 'pro-choice' in the URL or site title, or is biased towards being pro-life or pro-choice, don't bother posting it because I don't think either side can be proven very legitimate all the time. Why? Because as people on this site have said: 'People don't change their opinion to fit the facts, they change the facts to fit their opinion.'

Haha, I use condoms, and I don't sleep with everyone.

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That and abstinence. Why not just not sleep with someone who has the disease? Or am I infringing on your right to sleep around?

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You never know if someoen has the disease. They can lie and say they don't.

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To celtic new ager:Hey, something we actually agree on, yes I am also SuperDork and no i'm not mocking chris reeves with it

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That and abstinence. Why not just not sleep with someone who has the disease? Or am I infringing on your right to sleep around?

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You never know if someoen has the disease. They can lie and say they don't.

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Thats exactly why you don't have sex with everyone you meet. If they are lying to you, having such intimate relations would be inherintly bad, would it not? Why not just wait until you marry them, or (If you intend to jump me about forcing you into such cruel forms of social systems) get to know them better?

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Did you know that every time you have sex there is a 1 out of 9 chance that you will get a STD. did you know that even though Condoms are 97% effective means that there are THOUSANDS of uneffective condoms in the US alone? did you know that from the time you get your period to the age 19 you are at your highest fertility rate? did you know that many women afeter having a abortion get post abortion syndrome that leads them to suicide? did you know that by 8 weeks a baby can dream? did you know that babies can actually hear anythihg within 10 feet of them from inside the womb? did you know that saline abortions BURN THE SKIN OF OF BABIES WHILE ALIVE! and they can feel pain and it usually takes an hour to die? did you know that if a aborted baby is born alive unless the mosther wants it it is thrown in the trash alive to die like some kind of garbage? did you know that it is a human child not just a bundle of cells? did you know that abortion is the murder of an innocent child? did you know that rape and incest victems usually don't get pregnant its about 200 per year and they feel even worse than most mothers who abort their child afterwards? I researched this I know. Did you know that "jane roe" is now anti-abortion? Did you know? did You Know? Did You Know? Do you even care that you are destroying a life? that you will be killing your own child,YOUR OWN CHILD WHEN you have an abortion?I am near tears writing this I did cry, And I am a girl, i used to be a feminist. Stop killing our generation! And did you know that pregnancys where you may die from giving birth are not only very rare but few women actually die from it?

[/COLOR]ABORTION AMERICAS HIDDEN HOLOCAUST

"I think that Absinence is good, in theory."

So is communism, but we all see what happened when humans are mixed with theory

I think that abstinence is a good thing because it lowers the risk of STD's in todays youth. There are so many teenagers out there having pre-marital sex and its not right. There are some Freshmen girls and guys at my school that have already had sex and they are only 13 and 14 years old, and i go to a Catholic High School. I think that schools need to tell kids about it more and tell them what kind of STD's that you could get from pre-marital sex and that you could, if unproteted sex, get pregnant. There more Cons then Pros when talking about pre-marital sex.

All i can say is that i havent had sex and i wont have sex till i am married and i wont let other people pressure me into doing so until i am ready and married. So if someone tries to pressure you into having sex, put your foot down and stand up for yourself and what you believe in.

I think that abstinence is a good thing because it lowers the risk of STD's in todays youth. There are so many teenagers out there having pre-marital sex and its not right. There are some Freshmen girls and guys at my school that have already had sex and they are only 13 and 14 years old, and i go to a Catholic High School. I think that schools need to tell kids about it more and tell them what kind of STD's that you could get from pre-marital sex and that you could, if unproteted sex, get pregnant. There more Cons then Pros when talking about pre-marital sex.

Abstinence is a choice and should be practiced, but not everyone will choose abstinence so most importantly, it needs to be taught in schools how to protect ourselves. I dont agree with those who judge others on what they do with their life but I do think it's important to emphasize the risks they are taking by having sex. Just because you have sex before you're married doesn't make you a bad person nor does it make it wrong in my eyes, but as long as each child is well educated about the consequences and what "could" happen, then it is up to them on what they do.

i think that as a general rule and the purposes for which the term is used-abstinence is a good idea. teach it to kids in sex-ed class and parents, tell your kids that they shouldn't go around having sex. all of this is great because its a CYA for the school system and for the parents -"well, we tried" when a kid gets pregnant or an STD. what i think is that kids hear what you say about abstinence and drugs and everything, but when it comes down to it, they make their own decision based on their own feelings. my take on abstinence? abstinence from hazardous activities-not from sex entirely. abstinence from bad judgement and dangerous situations. basically-if you've been drinking, or if you're at a party, or if it's someone you've just met, or you don't know them very well-bad idea. i believe that when you think the time is right for you, and you have trust in the person and you really care about each other-when you are IN LOVE, i think if you are over the age of sixteen you have the right to make that decision yourself. just like no one can tell you to abort or not to abort a pregnancy, no one can tell you not to have sex, because if you want to do it, you're going to and it's your right. i think it's good to wait until you're with someone for a long time and you trust them and you love them and you both want to do it-and you're SAFE about it. Condoms, birth control, whatever-and if they don't agree to that, you shouldn't be giving this part of yourself to them.

i think it should be a choice. you could choose not to have sex but you should also know the facts about safer sex so you can be ready mentally. but dont just have sex b/c you feel the urge make sures its with someone you love atleast care about deeply.

im stuned.... soooo many people have said soo many things about stds and things..... i know many people who have had sex without a condom and havent gotten pregnant or a std.... but the thing is, i use them all the time and they do break... the ony way is to stay abstanent YES but for those of us who dont we shouldnt sleep with anybody we see... and usualy we dont. i know most the people ive had sex with and i love my self because of it. i get what i want form a guy and he gets what he wants and were usualy still friends and do it again. but i always use a condom just in case theyve slept with someone that i didnt know. i protect myself, EVERYONE IF YOU DO CHOOSE TO HAVE SEX USE PROTECTION AND IF SOMEONE TAKES AWAY THE PROTECTION DO WHAT THE PEOPLE DID BEFORE CONDOMS, USE A LAMB STOMAC (sp) LOL

FREE LOVE FOR ALL
AMBER

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That and abstinence. Why not just not sleep with someone who has the disease? Or am I infringing on your right to sleep around?

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You never know if someoen has the disease. They can lie and say they don't.

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Thats exactly why you don't have sex with everyone you meet. If they are lying to you, having such intimate relations would be inherintly bad, would it not? Why not just wait until you marry them, or (If you intend to jump me about forcing you into such cruel forms of social systems) get to know them better?

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That and abstinence. Why not just not sleep with someone who has the disease? Or am I infringing on your right to sleep around?

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You never know if someoen has the disease. They can lie and say they don't.

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Okay, I've been reading these messages about abstinence and I'm thinking that even Bush wouldn't be stupid enough to ban condoms.

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Nice work there, you're commiting slander AND assuming your point is complete truth.

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That's one of the things that keeps this country from being full of STD and aids.

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That and abstinence. Why not just not sleep with someone who has the disease? Or am I infringing on your right to sleep around?

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Some people have them, but many others don't.
I don't usually keep up with politics since I think that a lot of this stuff is stupid

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Yet you're willing to take a part in it. People who say politics are "Stupid" need to remember "Stupid" politics effect everything from their eating habits to their life span.

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but where does it say that he was even considering this?

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Maybe checking the "Stupid" news is a good idea once and a while.

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I was talking to somone about it and they said that they haven't heard anything about it and if Bush was considering it, it probably wouldn't have made it into his speeches and stuff since it's so personal..

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I'm hoping this person is:
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c. Fully understanding of political theory

Simply because that contradicts the fact that the President openly is supporting the Marriage bill. Is that not as personal?

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Hell, Bush probably uses/used condoms..

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"Because everyone is like the general populace we're shown on television that uses condoms and has fun having random sex with strangers! The TV is always right!"

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He does have childrem.

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Means he didnt use condoms. Maybe I'm wrong, though, Childerem is a word I've never heard of.

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I haven't heard anything about this topic from anywhere else but YouthNoise. Is it even true that he is considering banning condoms? If anyone has solid information would they please post where and when they got it?

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Its still in debate if the President even has jurisdiction to overrule a FDA rule. I'm one to say the FDA is unconstitutional in some of its actions, but you can read it here:
http://slate.msn.com/id/1006201/

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Because this is something that would effect mostly anyone who's gone through puberty.

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I've gone through it. This doesnt effect me. I must be an exception to "Mostly Anyone".

The issue with this is that not all kids have that choice of abstinence at all, it is in some cases taken away from them by someone they know a freind, family member or even a stranger.

Abstinence is not the issue now in the year 2004 stop using religion and any other personal belifs to get what you want out of people and just teach the facts and let them decide for them selves it might just work.

I think abstinence is right for some and not so right for others. Everyone needs to make a decision for themselves whether they are ready for the responsibilities, challenges, and emotions that come along with sex. People are going to participate in sex whether governments or organizations don't want them to. Since we are going to do what we like when it comes to our nature, why not keep us protected? Who honestly believes that if you take away contraception that people will just stop having sex until they're married? I don't. If protection is taken away then there won't be a decrease in sexual activity but there will be an increase in disease and unwanted pregnancy. Then many of us will be in a world of trouble. Sex is another form of expressing your love for someone. True, some people don't think of sex as a form of expressing love or deep affection for someone and they just have casual sex to feel phsyically satisfied. But they have the right to make the choice of whether or not they have to love someone to engage in sex with them. I do not believe it is morally wrong to enjoy sex with someone you are not married to or even are in love with. I would personally never have sex with someone I wasn't deeply commited to and loved, but not everyone thinks the way I do. What is moral is to protect the rights of people and their decisions, whether we would make those decisions for ourselves or not.

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Okay, I've been reading these messages about abstinence and I'm thinking that even Bush wouldn't be stupid enough to ban condoms. That's one of the things that keeps this country from being full of STD and aids. Some people have them, but many others don't. I don't usually keep up with politics since I think that a lot of this stuff is stupid but where does it say that he was even considering this? I was talking to somone about it and they said that they haven't heard anything about it and if Bush was considering it, it probably wouldn't have made it into his speeches and stuff since it's so personal.. Hell, Bush probably uses/used condoms.. He does have childrem. I haven't heard anything about this topic from anywhere else but YouthNoise. Is it even true that he is considering banning condoms? If anyone has solid information would they please post where and when they got it? Because this is something that would effect mostly anyone who's gone through puberty. Thanks a lot...

I have to add another comment to my post of yesterday. Condoms and birth control are not limited to teens. Married couples don't exactly plan on getting pregnant on their wedding night. I know I wouldn't. So what are they supposed to do without those things? Postpone their intimate relations because of our president's decision?
I was just thinking about this while I was in school this afternoon. If he would decide to ban condoms and birth control he wouldn't only be affecting teens.

SORRY WHEN I SAID THAT BUSH IS CHRISTAN THEREFOR HER DOENST BELIEVE IN BIRTHCONTROL...... THAT IS THE CATHOLICS,,, SORRY...

anyway i agree with both browneyedgrl5816 and tastlypoopiecakes999 because taking away condoms and other birthcontol methods is just gunna make the teens that have sex more prone to a STD or unplanned pregnancy. i am a teen that has choosen to have sex before marrage and i want to be protected. if bush makes condoms baned then i am moving to canada so when i have sex i am protected. i would never vote for a presedent that would ever ban something that is keeping soo many people safe. they cant control everything teens do and as for the married... they cant keep birthcontrol from them either... its a choice that we all have.... to have sex/or not... to use protection/or not..... i choose to have sex and i coose to use protection... i wont put myself to risk of not using the condom.... if bush is re-elected then i will protest. i dont like how he has ran the contry and i have the right to do so.... whos with me?

FREE LOVE FOR ALL
AMBER

Bush is going to cause a big increase with teen pregnancy and STDs. By banning condoms, birth control, etc. that is the only thing that will happen. Just because he might decide to ban them all does not stop anyone from having sex. That is yet a decision that is up to the person. I think he needs to be out of office for being so stupid. I mean whats next? Monitors on our children so they don't do drugs or have sex? Are we going to put shackles on their wrists and ankles to keep them 'safe'? I have to ask this question....is what they are doing really safe for their teens? Bush obviously has not thought about the effects of a decision like that. As I stated, it is my opinion that banning condoms will NOT stop teens from having sex and he is just going to add to the pregnancy rate.
And I am one of those who made the decision for no sex before marriage....but yes, things do change. Its human nature and he can't stop that fact.