You make me sad, Rosalyn_Andrews. But that's alright, because I'm laughing too.

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If we wish to save the planet from global warming we must usher in a another golden age of piracy!

Bring on the pirates!

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5. By allowing gay marriage—a currently illegal act—it sends the message that anyone can mess with the government and change any law to support their own needs. This is completely out of line with what the U.S. stands for, which is “for the people, by the people.”

Aren't you completely wrong? I thought this democracy crap meant that if the majority wants something, the government must ammend whatever needs ammending to grant the majority their request (/over simplification). Isn't that the "American way"? I'm speaking completely theoretically of course.

Look, maybe there are some legitimate points against gay marriage, but you've failed to mention a single one. I'm against it for religous reasons and I know that doesn't impress anyone on this site so I don't put up a topic for the sole reason of displaying my ignorance about everything else. I mean seriously? A marriage isn't valid if you don't orgasm? WTF?

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Then what about all of the babies who are up for adoption? Shouldn’t we take care of what we have before we start making more?

which brings up a point that people who can't take care of their kids shouldn't be breeding

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When has marriage been about love? It's always been about property, dowries, wealth, social connections, AND pro-creation. Marriage has to be consummated through sex-- the act of pro-creation-- in order to be considered valid.

Always been about those things? I mean, I don't think my parent got married because of money or property - they got married because they love each other. And I know a girl from my church that fell in love with a man from Haiti (which in case you don’t know is one of the poorest countries of the world). The government wouldn’t let him leave the country, so she moved there with him. They both live in poverty, and she gave up everything she had for him. How can you say that that was about “property, dowries, wealth, and social connections”? It was about love, pure and simple. And who says that marriage has to be consummated through sex, anyway?

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And America does NOT have too many babies. It needs more.

Then what about all of the babies who are up for adoption? Shouldn’t we take care of what we have before we start making more?

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If it's not the norm, then it is NOT natural.

Um, so having like a learning disability or autism or something isn’t natural, because that’s not how most people are?

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5. Crime WILL increase. Have you looked around you lately? There's violence EVERYWHERE. There are also homosexuals everywhere, demanding rights. It's only logical that they have a relationship.

Right and did you know that a lack of pirates cause global warming? As a member of the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster we have information that shows clearly that as the number of pirates has gone down the global temperature has dramtically increased. If we wish to save the planet from global warming we must usher in a another golden age of piracy!

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MuseRocks:

I've always had an orgasm with MY man. If you're man doesn't please you, get a better one. The right man will ALWAYS please you. That's how you know he's the right one.

So I am to assume then that you are married? You know, since you condemn fornication and sin. How old are you?

Ampmaster:

1. Marriage is for procreation. If it weren't for marriage, how would we increase our population? The legalities and the benefits are just perks for starting to procreate.

2. No. The appendage must be attached below the waist. Arms should be busy doing other things.

3. It's not a true sex-induced orgasm, which is the only one that counts.

4. Society is natural. We entered into it during evolution. It was a natural means to secure our species by protecting the population.

5. That proves nothing. Besides, our world is teetering on the brink of all out chaos. One wrong move, and we will plunge into anarchy.

Invisiblegirl:

When has marriage been about love? It's always been about property, dowries, wealth, social connections, AND pro-creation. Marriage has to be consummated through sex-- the act of pro-creation-- in order to be considered valid.

MuseRocks:

I've always had an orgasm with MY man. If you're man doesn't please you, get a better one. The right man will ALWAYS please you. That's how you know he's the right one.

Ikki14Reed:

Duh.

Jenos:

1. What can you prove? And if marriage wasn't for pro-creation, then why does it need sex to be consummated? And America does NOT have too many babies. It needs more. We have space. Just cut down on the amount of National Parks and we'll be fine.

2. Something you are born with, appendage wise, and something that everyone else does. If it's not the norm, then it is NOT natural.

3. I don't need to. I have everything I need to know from the reformed homosexual websites.

4. Los Vegas should be purified. Divorce should be illegal. The best way to raise the child you procreate is by two adults. It should be illegal for the children.

5. Crime WILL increase. Have you looked around you lately? There's violence EVERYWHERE. There are also homosexuals everywhere, demanding rights. It's only logical that they have a relationship.

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American

where is this country? I've heard of America, but never a nation called American

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As if American doesn't have enough people anyway

If you listen carefully you can hear china laughing at this statement. In then end compared to most world powers our population compared to our size is incredibly small. Sides you try to tell the rednecks down south to stop breedin, you'll get a 12 gauge's worth of buckshot for your trouble and you'll likely get the same treatment else where too. It's one of those things that people want the goverment to keep their nose out of.

and honestly, do you really trust results from the census?

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religons

Is that a new polygon or something?

This whole topic is bullocks. Prove any of it. Sure, you can claim these are your opinions, but ruin America? Laughable. Let's do a quick breeze through.

1. Marriage isn't for procreation and you know it, look at the law, it's clearly stated. As if American doesn't have enough people anyway. It's time people stopped having babies for a few years and the census supports that.

2. Define natural. Some would tend to disagree.

3. Clearly you have not spoken to many homosexuals.

4. The sanctity of marriage was lost with the introduction of Los Vegas, mate. And try telling a physically abused spouse that they may not divorce their spouse, I'm sure you'll get loads of positive feedback.

5. I laughed. It's only illegal due to a technicality - an amendment a president made years ago. The last time I checked, the president isn't exactly the whole country. And stating crime will increase is simply mad.

You are, as usually is the case, not always right.

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Isn't marriage more than just a contract? I don't know, but I always though it was about more than legal rights.

not from the eyes of the state, goverment wise it's a legal contract between to idividuals. The whole "two becoming one" and other things we associate with marrige come from religons

Never mind. I found out.

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Not all woman have orgasms when they are with men. And if you believe that is true, than you obviously know nothing about sex.

Okay, I don't mean to sound stupid, but what is an orgasm?

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unless a sexual act can cause an orgasm simultaneously for both parties involved, it is unnatural and not an act of consummation.

I guess some straight girls are out of luck there.

Not all woman have orgasms when they are with men. And if you believe that is true, than you obviously know nothing about sex.

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marrige on the other hand is a legal contract between two individuals who for lack of a better term, "love" each other or at least feel strongly enough about each other to let the other have certain rights in that persons life, like the power of attorney and other rights granted by marrige

Isn't marriage more than just a contract? I don't know, but I always though it was about more than legal rights.

actually you've got a good point there invisible

sex exists for procreation, marrige on the other hand is a legal contract between two individuals who for lack of a better term, "love" each other or at least feel strongly enough about each other to let the other have certain rights in that persons life, like the power of attorney and other rights granted by marrige

Isn't marriage about more than just sex? Isn't it about love? Two girls or two boys can still love each other.

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Originally posted by SgtScarecrow:
when this type of activity is running rampant through or streets and spreading the curse of AIDs/HIV even further?

AIDS/HIV isn't just a "gay man's disease." AIDS/HIV can be found in every ethnic group and in every gender. Read something other than the Bible and stop letting the church brainwash you.

Ok seriously now... wtf?

1. No marrige is a legal contract between two people that grants them certain rights and benefits, like a tax break and the right to control/inherit the other's estate on their deaths

2. so would someone who has long arms count for the below the waist, above the knee rule? Not to mention the whole point of marrige is a legal contract and is consumated in signing a piece of paper, not screwing.

3. Have you ever talked to a lesbian couple? according to my sources orgasm and indeed simultaneous orgasm is possible, I would assume this is true for gay couples as well

4. Given that society is the opposite of nature this would not be true and from the state's point of view there is no "sanctity of marrige" which is a religous thing and given that church and state are seperated in the US should have no leaning on the matter. and in the states eyes should not effect the legal contract of marrige

5. Gay/Lesbian numbers have been growing steadly for years now, our crime rate has been dropping like a rock since the late 80s. Seems to me that things are only getting more peaceful

and scarecrow get your head out of your bible and learn about the real world

I agree completely we must secure our faith, families and country from the threat posed by the vile insitution of homosexuality. How can we expect our children to grow up right when this type of activity is running rampant through or streets and spreading the curse of AIDs/HIV even further?