Rosalyn, why is your avatar a Gay Pride symbol?

What the hell. I am bi. I recently decided to come out.I am terrified. It is ignorant ppl like the person who started this page that has other ppl so afraid to open up.If my relationship doesn't concern you why make it a big deal. You are heartless.

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1. No, marriage is a societal contract meant to have procreation in a place where children will not run wild and have stability. The fact that it is monogamous is for people’s protection.

Marriage as we currently know it is an apropriation of the judeo christian tradition of civil and pagan bondings dating back to the neolithic when human communities became sedentary. Originally it wasn't monogamous, the tribe or clan leader disposed of the women of the tribe as he pleased. Monogamy is simply a way of exercising social control by religious authorities.

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2. Sexual intercourse is a biological function meant to occur only in committed relationships of marriage in order to procure functioning children for a future society.

No, sexual intercourse is a biological function that allows us to reproduce. It is not meant to occur in any determined circumstances because that implies determinism of our actions and the existence of a divine. A chair is not meant to exist in certain circumstances, it's there, i can sit on it, end of story. Sexual intercouse is the given way of reproducing but that does not mean that it is restricted to that function or to certain circumstances fitting that function.

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3. Why should I imagine two snakes?

69.

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4. People like you should not be allowed to be married since you will screw up your kids with your abuse.

Your literal interpretation of my obvious sarcasm leads me to think you're not very bright. If sex and marriage are only a means to perpetuate society then we should adopt a hierarchy similar to Huxley's "A Brave New World". It goes without saying that you would be on the lower ends of this hypothetical hierarchy, and thus would not be allowed to marry, procreate, and consequently, have sex.

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5. It’s not a matter of seeing two gay men, it’s a matter of going against the law and seeing the negative sanctions that come out of the government enforcing something that the people do not want.

If that is what really bothers you I suggest we ban television as it constantly shows violence and obscenity. The possible indirect influence an individual or entity's actions may have on the mass of the population are not that individual or entity's responsibility.
If my neighbor began smoking pot because he saw me doing it it wouldn't be my fault, it would merely show his weakness of character and lack of judgement. Likewise, if the population where to become more prone to crime and illegality because of a false sense of permisiveness derived from the legalization of gay marriage, it wouldn't be the governments fault, it would merely prove that we need to invest more money in the public school system, and possibly rethink our cultural standards.

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6. In this case, you are not right.

Does not compute.

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Originally posted by SgtScarecrow:

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This disturbs me. ):
Not only gay people have aids. That is basically the same thing as saying something like, "All black people have disease and if they live on our streets it puts our children in danger."

You act like they aren't even people. They are just like you. Do not judge anyone until you've walked a single day in their shoes.

Then stop reading it, a view point will only disturb a closed and locked down mind. and your comparison is pure dreck. Blacks are natural, gays are not.

Gee, sorry I'm not a heartless rock. Sometimes, people have emotions.
I agree with clpo13. You have nothing to back up that claim.

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1. Some things are good changes, but not all changes are good. Changing marriage is one of them.

According to you. Your opinions are your own to hold, but please try not to push them on everyone else. In order to do that, you'd need to show that your opinions are right, which, quite frankly, is something no opinion can ever be.

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2. Read my first original point for the answer about infertility.

And I suppose you've already been informed how silly it is to deny marriage to people unable to procreate?

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but it does shame people into what it wants, which means that people had better follow it if they don’t want to much trouble. And as of now, society does not want gay marriage.

Have you considered the possibility that society might be shaming everyone into thinking gay marriage is wrong? The sword swings both ways.

Reading through your points again, I fail to see why you even defend the institution of marriage. If procreation is the main goal here, why muck around with pointless ceremonies and signed papers? Other species seem to get alone perfectly fine procreating without any kind of lawful union. It's more efficient to copulate with anyone you come across instead of being attached forever to one other individual. The species will last longer if we don't limit ourselves in sexual partners.

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SgtScarecrow:
Blacks are natural, gays are not.

The state of being "natural" means that something occurs within nature, yes? Humans are part of nature. Some humans are homosexuals. Ergo...

Anyways, if you're going to make such an outlandish claim, kindly provide proof.

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This disturbs me. ):
Not only gay people have aids. That is basically the same thing as saying something like, "All black people have disease and if they live on our streets it puts our children in danger."

You act like they aren't even people. They are just like you. Do not judge anyone until you've walked a single day in their shoes.

Then stop reading it, a view point will only disturb a closed and locked down mind. and your comparison is pure dreck. Blacks are natural, gays are not.

clpo13:
1. Some things are good changes, but not all changes are good. Changing marriage is one of them.
2. Read my first original point for the answer about infertility.
3. Society may not always be right, but it does shame people into what it wants, which means that people had better follow it if they don’t want to much trouble. And as of now, society does not want gay marriage. Even in our generation, only about fifty percent support it, if that, which is not a majority, especially when you consider the fact that we are the most liberal generation that votes—or chooses not to vote. Therefore, that question currently has no relevance.

Speed:
1. No, marriage is a societal contract meant to have procreation in a place where children will not run wild and have stability. The fact that it is monogamous is for people’s protection.
2. Sexual intercourse is a biological function meant to occur only in committed relationships of marriage in order to procure functioning children for a future society.
3. Why should I imagine two snakes? And your one and 2 has nothing to do with anything.
4. People like you should not be allowed to be married since you will screw up your kids with your abuse.
5. It’s not a matter of seeing two gay men, it’s a matter of going against the law and seeing the negative sanctions that come out of the government enforcing something that the people do not want.
6. In this case, you are not right.
7. I am actually a busy college student, and I’m not impersonating anyone. And my boyfriend did not just dump me. As of now, I am choosing to be single. There’s nothing wrong with that.

GreenMod:
1. It was in an appropriate forum. Please move it back.

Engaged_fem_18
1. Why are you telling yourself I’m not right?
2. Who are you to say it is right? I’m going by what the American society wants.
3. I find it interesting in your profile that you say that you have been a lesbian for four years. That makes it sound as though you chose it. If you chose it, then why can’t you chose to marry a guy?
4. Gays and lesbians aren’t bothering me. The fact that they can get benefits without giving back to society is what bothers me.

Ampmaster:
1. I dumped him. A few months ago. And he is not, nor has he ever, gone out with a guy.

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EDIT: I just came up with another possibility. Your boyfriend just dumped you.

for a guy >_>

note to self your not right... if lesbians want to marry another girl who ru to say its wrong. this really bothers me that u think this. are gay and/or lesbians bothering you???!!!

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Originally posted by SgtScarecrow:
I agree completely we must secure our faith, families and country from the threat posed by the vile insitution of homosexuality. How can we expect our children to grow up right when this type of activity is running rampant through or streets and spreading the curse of AIDs/HIV even further?

This disturbs me. ):
Not only gay people have aids. That is basically the same thing as saying something like, "All black people have disease and if they live on our streets it puts our children in danger."

You act like they aren't even people. They are just like you. Do not judge anyone until you've walked a single day in their shoes.

Moved to a more appropriate forum, carry on.

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1. Marriage is meant for procreation. If you can’t procreate, you shouldn’t be allowed to marry. This includes sterile people. Everyone, before marriage, should be forced to be tested in order to determine whether or not they are eligible for marriage. In fact, once you are no longer allowed to pro-create, your marriage should be forcibly ended.

BEEP. WRONG.
Sexual organs are for procreation, marriage is just the method adopted by the diverse religious authorities to monopolize procreation and exercize control over society.

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2. Lesbianism is unnatural. If you aren’t able to have intercourse where one person enters the other, it is not appropriate. Unless they have a natural appendage below the waist and above the knee to insert in an edifice, it is unnatural, and will not allow for a marriage to become consummate.

BEEP. WRONG.
your point is invalid because sexual intercourse is a biological function, and marriage is a creation of society. Referr to my previous correction.

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3. Likewise, unless a sexual act can cause an orgasm simultaneously for both parties involved, it is unnatural and not an act of consummation. If a marriage cannot be consummated, then it should not be allowed.

BEEP. WRONG.
Imagine two snakes eating each other tails. Now go throw up if you must.
Also, referr to corrections 1 and 2.

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4. By wanting to get married, they are trying to fit their unnatural ideas into a natural and straight society. This becomes detrimental to the sanctity of marriage, because if anyone can become married, how can we possibly be able to define the marriage and family unit that we hold so sacred? On that note, divorces should be outlawed as well since they encourage “trial” marriages of sorts. If you marry a member of the opposite sex, you should legally be bound to them, no matter the circumstances.

BEEP. WRONG.
Marriage is just a control mecanism used by religious organisms. That kinda takes away it's sanctity.
Regarding divorce, marry me, I'll be an alcoholic, beat you, and practice sexual intercourse with other women and men.

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5. By allowing gay marriage—a currently illegal act—it sends the message that anyone can mess with the government and change any law to support their own needs. This is completely out of line with what the U.S. stands for, which is “for the people, by the people.” The fact of the matter is, the people don’t want gay marriage, and by allowing gay marriage, the government is undermined and the people are left unheard. Through this happening, there will be an increase of rapes, murders, thefts and a cornucopia of other crimes to that effect. The U.S. is not a place for crime.

BEEP. WRONG.
Speak for yourself, there's a ton of illegal things I'd like to do and allready do. Seeing two men married doesn't make me want to kill people. You must be sick if it affects you like that. Get help.

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I am always right.

No, I am, and since we can't both be right, and I don't like I've decided you're wrong. Obviously, since I am allways right you can't question this.


I think you're probably some weirdo with a lot of time on your hands, you obviously don't believe what you're saying, and are probably just trying to get a laugh out of impersonating such a demented character.

EDIT: I just came up with another possibility. Your boyfriend just dumped you.

My whole post is both serious and sarcastic.

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Marriage has always been an exclusive club. Who can be married and to whom has always been argued throughout the centuries. Now isn’t any different.

"X always has been true/false" is never a good argument. Slavery has been around since prehistory, but does that make it acceptable? Things change.

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Because they have a contract with society that they will fulfill certain obligations, such as producing more offspring and helping train them to become efficient societal employees.

I get the sense that you hold a very old-fashioned view of marriage by the way you use the word "contract." That's interesting because marriages were originally intended as business contracts, nothing more.

Anyways, if marriage is all about producing offspring, what of heterosexual couples who are sterile or infertile? If they can't produce kids are they likewise banned from getting married?

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Society wants marriage, so that’s why people bother with it.

Another flawed line of reasoning. Society is almost never right. Besides, what if society wanted gay marriage? Would you be okay with it then?

InvisibleGirl:
1. As long as children have good homes, preferably there own, and are able to become contributors to society, it does not matter whether or not their parents are married. The law should be changed to get rid of abuse in homes, so that children can have their own parents instead of being bounced around to different homes which is also not good for them.
2. Divorces because the “love is gone” are also quite common.
3. Love can be learned. And arranged marriages don’t lead to divorce as often as love marriages.
4. Financially stability does not mean complete unhappiness. People can learn to love and care for others they normally wouldn’t give a second look towards. And why does financially security without love mean that it would be abusive or unhappy? If it was down to marrying a financially secure abuser, then there would be no point in getting married.

clpo13:
1. The debate goes on as long as people are there to debate it. Even though people disagree with me, I will debate them because I will stand up for what I believe, which no one ever said wasn’t a noble cause. It matters not whether anyone switches sides; all that matters is that the word gets out that I believe this, and no one can change that.
2. Marriage has always been an exclusive club. Who can be married and to whom has always been argued throughout the centuries. Now isn’t any different.
3. Exactly. With marriage comes benefits. Why do they get those benefits? Because they have a contract with society that they will fulfill certain obligations, such as producing more offspring and helping train them to become efficient societal employees.
4. Society wants marriage, so that’s why people bother with it.

SweetiePie20:
1. Gays cannot have children and neither can sterile people. Since marriage gets benefits in exchange for children, then only those who produce children should have marriages and marriage rights. Otherwise, people are just leeching off of the government, and not earning their way.
2. Gays cannot enter the right orifice in the body since it does not exist. Therefore, the marriage cannot be consummated.
3. Why?
4. Even with the estimated 10% of the population being gay, it is still an overwhelming straight society. And the marriages that end in divorce encourage trial marriages. Though there are other reasons for divorce, if society puts a negative connotation on divorce, it will encourage people to get to know their partner before the marriage, thus getting rid of multiple reasons for divorce.
5. Your point is awkwardly worded, and therefore invalid because it cannot be coherently understood. Besides, if you are saying it’s what the people need, what the people want generally overrules what the people need, and based on recent elections, the people do not want gay marriage. Even if the wording was bad in some cases, more people did not want gay marriage.
6. Your case is not rested yet.

Ilive4Him
1. You already have to be tested for various things in some states, what’s another test?
2. If yu gave enough workers, and are able to raise more workers, a negotiation could be worked out with the government.
3. It’s not ridiculous.

Jaymeister:
1. They cannot reproduce without the help of an outside source. If all the outside sources failed, they would not be able to have children, and then would not be able to give back to society in exchange for the benefits they offered.
2. Gay sex is unnatural; the appendage does not enter the correct orifice.
3. Gladly.
4. It’s a contract, purely legal as you said. HOWEVER, the difference is the fact that via producing offspring naturally, heterosexuals give something back to the country in return for the benefits bestowed on them via the marriage. It is not the same with homosexual couples.
5. The government is a bastardized version of “by the people for the people,” but according to votes that various members of the “backbone” have given, the people do not want gay marriage. And if something they do not want is forced on them, rebellion will ensue. America as a whole is generally like a teenager in age and attitude, and teenagers rebel when told they have to do something they don’t want to do. Also, ideally, people would have committed relationships—without abuse—where children are loved and wanted, and adoption—and abortion—should not even have to be thought of. Instead of discussing gay marriage, we should collectively work for the future of our country, and make sure that no child is abused or left to feel unwanted.
6. The American Dream does exist. Just not always in that exact manifestation.

Testing:
This isn’t a joke. I’m being serious.

Imforthecause:
1. The rights are not given to the glbt community because you cannot have children naturally. If you have children, then the rights should be given, but since more heterosexuals have children, they get more rights. It’s simply an exchange of goods between the couple and the government.

dont_judge;
1. I find it interesting the terminology that you use, but that’s beside the point.
2. What is love? People seem to fall into love a lot these days, so is it really love, or is it just lust and wanting? Besides, not all heterosexual people are allowed love, so why should we stop being selective about love relationships? If we went back to arranged marriages, the divorce rate would go down, especially if we shunned those who divorced. And with the divorce rate down, children have both parents, and don’t have to deal with identity crises due to a broken home.
3. Who’s condemning? Homosexuals can live with their loves, they just can’t marry them. Marriage should only be for those able to procreate since marriage is an exchange of goods between the couple and the government: The couple gets benefits, and the government gets children to train as workers.
4. By the way, I don’t believe that the only way is through Jesus, but that is a bit off topic.

Hidoni:
1. DOES everyone deserve to be treated equally? Do people who are deviant deserved to be treated equally, and are they treated equally? Why must people be treated equally? In our society, it is a relationship between the people and the government. In exchange for goods and protection, the citizens are required to give the government labor in return. However, when the labor force ages, what is the country to do? That’s why it is also necessary that everyone procreate with two children to replace themselves and keep the labor force going. If people do not adhere to their end of the agreement, then why should they be treated like everyone else?
2. Love is not everything. Besides, even if you love, there is a chance that you will not get to be with the one you love—straight, gay, or anything else—it’s a fact of life. Besides, love matches are a recent invention in the total history of time.
3. Why would I want to bring God into this? America is a secular nation, created so because it needed to protect religion from the government. I wholly believe in the principles originally set by the Deist founders that taught a separation of church and state, with intention of keeping the religion in the private sphere and secular identities in the public sphere. I do not see why everyone insists that if you disagree with gay marriage, there must be some religious aspect behind that. I do not believe that is true, based on my aforementioned reasons.

Everyone deserves to be treated equally. I wish there did not have to be some ridiculous, extensive, & controversial argument over whether or not homosexuals should have the same rights as heterosexuals. I personally am a heterosexual and hope to someday marry a guy. I have never been in love but from what I have heard it sounds like a wonderful thing. So in that case, I believe everyone deserves to feel love and express that love in everyway they desire, which definitely includes marriage. And if you want to bring God into this, go ahead. He loves everyone right? So why would he purposely condemn his own children to hell? It doesn't make any damn sense. Discrimination doesn't make sense; It is wrong on EVERY level.

peace:]

My uncle has chosen the gay lifestyle and he is the same as he was before he made the decision. You can't help who you fall in love with. Gays are people to and the deserve to have love. You should love the sinner, not the sin. We do not have any right to condemn others because of their choices. That is God's job. I have not chosen to have that lifestyle, but this is America. We have people fighting for our freedom. Telling people they can't marry the person they love is taking away part of that freedom.

regardless of whether it's a joke or not, jaymeister has a point. many of the rights that heterosexuals have are not given to the glbt community. but why not? we pay taxes, just like the straight people. we contribute to society just the same as any other straight person, and yet we're denied the same rights. in a world that prides itself on the adequate provision of rights, i think we're getting the shit-coated end of the stick.

It's a joke jaymeister.