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I know I'm not supposed to double post, but there were too many that needed responding.

Littleninja:
1. As has been covered several times, the people voted against gay marriage.
2. Why should I keep opinions like this to myself? I’m over 18; I have been granted my full constitutional rights which guarantee me the right to say what I want.
3. When didn’t I say I was happy? I’m perfectly happy. My life is amazing right now, and I don’t need to be “more openminded” to be happy. Maybe you should be more openminded that other opinions exist and could potentially be right even though you disagree with them.
4. If you had posted a debate to my points, then I could say the same thing to you: it’s all opinion. It’s all opinion that homosexuals would be happily married for longer than straight couples, for example.
5. Care to explain how homosexual marriage is not a bad thing? I’m willing to listen if you care to explain without insulting—or trying to insult—my personal life, something which you know nothing about.

Stompy:
1. Is marriage, or is marriage not “meant to bind two people’s souls together?” You don’t seem to know. However, it is meant as a traditional union to procreate and populate the planet, if you wish to go the religious route.
2. Scientists aren’t God, but they are quite good at determining what is natural and is not, and creating things to be “natural.”
3. Then those spouses should not have gotten married without testing their partner out first. And if something is wrong, they can always go to a doctor or a couple’s counselor.
4. Feminism has nothing to do with the ruining of the sanctity of marriage. It’s people who rush into marriage just for the sex—but not the children—and who do not understand what marriage is about that ruin the sanctity of marriage. Also ruining it are the people who marry for “love,” when in reality, they are marrying for lust since they do not understand the concept behind love.
5. As for wanting to be married: they’re trying to fit something unnatural into something natural. A circle peg cannot fit into a square hole; homosexuality cannot fit into marriage.
6. Of course the U.S. is not crime free. Humans are quite prone to violence and conflict—just look at this thread for an example! However, by providing something for the minority, it creates tensions among the majority, which will lead to an explosion of emotion and more crime. It’s a law of human behavior and physics: For every action, there must be an opposite and equal reaction. It’s not hard for a peaceful event to turn violent. History is full of examples of that.

Mzbasketballstar
1. If they cannot naturally procreate, then they are leeching off of society’s benefits. People hate it when people don’t work and leech off of others’ tax dollars, so why is this any different?
Love should really be taken out of the marriage equation because it seems to be more detrimental to our society than helpful. If it weren’t for “love,” we wouldn’t have divorce.

Ashleecuh:
1. The U.S. Government cannot accept homosexuality because, as the votes have shown, it is not what the people want. And I’m not looking for a reason as to why America is corrupted; there is no particular one, but many intertwined. One individual cannot corrupt an entire country—he needs others to agree in order to do so.
2. I’d say to leave the Christian God out of it, but if you want to go that way, explain why the Bible condemns homosexuality, why it discusses consummation of marriage, and why it tells people to “be fruitful and multiply.” How can two people of the same sex “be fruitful and multiply?” How can they consummate a marriage?
3. We all judge people we do not know. Even you. It’s what humans do.

Craigums:
1. Just read the other points where the people do not want gay marriage. And just because someone disagrees with gay marriage does not automatically make them “right wing.”
2. When people decide for themselves, they ruin their own lives. It’s so much better (and easier) for someone with knowledge to decide for those whose own intelligences are limited.
3. Then how come rape seems to be everywhere? How come downloading illegally is up? Gay marriage is being fought for—and crime is currently increasing. Both have a commonality as well—the free flow of information. If information was restricted, this world would be a better place.

Beirbre:
I’m not joking.

Meghanlyn:
1. People don’t want gay marriage.
2. People of the same sex would be leeching off of society without giving something in return. That’s how it’d be bothering us.

MuseRocks and Earthgoddess:
I am not really Christian. Don't assume that I am.

InvisibleGirl:
1. The divorce rate is higher now than ever. It's been increasing since people have been marrying for "love." We should return to the older days when marriages were arranged-- at least divorce was virtually non-existent then.
2. They should be given to their parents. Every child must be with their parents. Foster care should not exist if people just had kids in committed relationships. Starting now, we should create laws to discourage sex outside of committed relationships since marriage is only for pro-creation.
3. Just because it's formed by nature does not make it normal or natural. Nature makes unnatural flukes.

EarthGoddess:
1. Homosexuality is not population control. Infertility, old age, menopause, etc are population controls, as are cancers that insist upon the removal of female and male sexual organs.
2. Homosexuality is not natural. If it were, then there wouldn’t be recovered homosexuals.

SgtScarecrow:
This isn’t a joke.

Brehon:
1. It may be “for the people, by the people,” but the majority of the people do not want gay marriage. If they allow gay marriage—a want by a minority—what will be next? Legalized rape? Legalized murder?
2. If the family unit is not sacred and recognized by law, then why are there benefits for being married? Why are children allowed to be under parents’ health insurance? Why not do away with families altogether, and have everyone be given exactly equal treatment to healthcare, taxes, etc?
3. It is necessary to consummate because it is necessary to repopulate the planet. Since society gives marriage added benefits, it is only right that marriage respond with giving society new members in return.
“Love” is where our society went wrong. By believing that they are in “love,” temptations increased as did the need for divorce. If we returned to marriage without love, we would decrease the divorce rate.
4. Just because it happens in animals doesn’t mean it’s natural for humans. Humans are above animals; they know the difference between rights and wrongs, and they have choice.
5. Until recently, love was rarely part of marriage. Until recently, the divorce rate wasn’t high. In order to become part of a protected marriage, it must be consummated, and it must be profitable in society. Goods are being exchanged, so it is not correct to receive benefits if you cannot exchange something for those benefits.

Europhia215:
You shouldn’t have babies without marriage, but more importantly, you shouldn’t have marriage without babies. However, if you wind up pregnant without marriage, you should marry your partner since you will receive added benefits in exchange for your gift to society.

Noregrets377:
1. Yes, people marry for a variety of reasons, however, in order to get the benefits granted to them, they must provide something beneficial to society in return. The easiest thing and most beneficial gift to society is to procreate. Therefore, marriage is for procreation.
2. The definition of the majority is that intercourse occurs when the penis enters the vaginal canal and, if it’s the first time, breaks the hymen. How can intercourse occur without the initial breaking of the hymen, and without an actual penis entering an actual vaginal canal?
3. Too much freedom also causes havoc. Too much personal freedom for teenagers, for example, can be as detrimental as not enough freedom. When people get the idea that they can do whatever they want, they can be harmful to themselves and to others. Therefore, it is necessary to strike a balance, and let that which is safe be free, and that which can have negative consequences not be free.
Also, if it is unwanted by the majority of the people, negative consequences can ensue. It’s not just my personal opinion, but also the opinion of every single American who voted against gay marriage.

Invsiblegirl:
America voted against gay marriage. I am not putting words in people’s mouths, simply stating why I believe gay marriage would harm America and showing that people agree with me.
Also, America is not free. It hasn’t been free for awhile. Look at the other laws created—if America were completely free, many laws would cease to exist.

Cmcrede:
Right coordination? Not the natural coordination, though. And if two straight people can’t orgasm together, then perhaps they should get someone who can orgasm with them, instead.

Clpo13:
Please do list them. I’m dying to hear them.
And if my post was a waste of time to read, then why did you? And why did you waste even more time in order to comment?

if ppl want to have gay marrige its there bussness. even if u r being sarcastic, if they want to have gay marriage. let them.

how would getting married to there own sex be bothering us?

I can't believe that EVERYONE didn't realize Rosalyn was being sarcastic.
Look at her saying "I am always right."
Look at her first "point", that people who can't procreate shouldn't get married, should get tested first and that sterile people shouldn't be allowed by law to marry ANYONE; and that when a woman reaches menopause {and can't procreate any more} her marriage should be FORCIBLY dissolved! That would include a lot of our own mothers and grandmothers! would have their marriages FORCIBLY dissolved IMMEDIATELY when they couldn't procreate any more!
The rest of her points are just as silly -- ON PURPOSE. This blows out of the water, the ridiculous argument made by some judges, that "Marriage is for procreation ONLY." We all KNOW that isn't so! Many of our parents and grandparents stayed married even after they no longer procreated or were able to procreate!
To say that "Gay marriage would promote rape & crime & murder" is just more on-purpose ridiculousness. Unfortunately, many of the bigots against gay marriage say almost the same thing! I guess that's why people were so fooled.

I guess Rosalyn should have said "I'm joking ha ha ha."
At least it got people to DEFEND gay marriage.

that is one of the dumbest things i have ever heard.

for the people by the people doesnt mean for the right wing, it means for everyone,

LET PEOPLE DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES,

and no, gay marriage will not lead to increase of rape or illegal music downloading or whatever hoopla you discuss

Honestly. I don't know why you would write something like this. God obivously had his own flaws to his creation. He didn't make everybody perfect. From what i am always taught, love comes in all shapes in sizes. If you say that America "is by the people for the people" that why can't the U.S. government accept homosexuality. Everybody is not the same is everyone else. That is what makes us individuals. There is nothing wrong with homosexuality. i may not be gay myself, but that doesn't mean i hate someone that loves another person of the same sex. If you are honestly looking for a reason to blame the government for corrupting america, why don't you look at our own president. I would like to see you if you found out if your own child turned out to be gay. Why don't look at Dick Cheney's daughter for an example. Why don't you stop running judgement on people before you even know them.

first of all i have a problem with this "top 5 reasons why gay marriage would ruin america"if someone wants to be with the same sex and wants to get married then they should be accepted and apreciated just for the fact that they were stong enough to be out in the with their marriage with a whole bunh of judgemental headeral sexuals!

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the people do to want gay marriage

actually the majority of people in this country said no to laws allowing gay marrige when it came to open votes in the 50 states. Even in the liberal back woods of Masschusests gay marrige is illegal after the open elections.

I'm not saying that's right (morally) but that's the facts, check them before smacking down blanket statements about "the people"

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you do know that some women are unsatisfied sexually by their spouses for many many many years?

I know your a feminist but that's a two way street, many wives either cut out sex completely from married life or during sex are about as active and engaging as a sex doll

First of all, marriage is meant to bind two people's souls together. Or something like that. Really though, with all the divorces and bad marriages, it's just a legal formality. Now, if we have all these straight and according to you "right" marriages, why are there so many divorces?
Secondly, you're not God, so who are you to say what's "natural"?
Yea, about the orgasm thing... you do know that some women are unsatisfied sexually by their spouses for many many many years? (I.E. no orgasms there!)
Well, you're right about something; by wanting to be married, they do just want to be recognized by society. But what's wrong with that? I think the "sanctity of marriage" has been going down since the start of feminism (i'm a feminist myself, i'm just saying i don't think that some guys can take it)
Wait, I don't understand number five at all! You're saying by allowing two people of the same sex (that love each other) to get married, there will be an increase in crimes? Get real.
(and by the way, even though we're better off than a lot of places, the U.S. isn't crime free.

watever you say.....the people do to want gay marriage. Keep opinions like this to yourself. Maybe if you were more openminded about things like gay marriage you would be a happier person. You cannot back up anything that you said, its all OPINION. The world is evolving and changing everyday and the more that changes the more people decided that the world is NOT doomed if we allow gay people to get married, and they are accepting of that. Stop trying to act like its such a bad thing. We have enough homophobes in this world, we don't need another one.

*Tanya*

These reasons are all just your opinions. They're not backed up by anything remotely scientific. Heck, they're not backed up by anything. I could list out five reasons why gay marriage would be the boost America needs to catch up to Europe socially and I'd be just as "right" as you.

I'd pick the original post apart, but truth be told, there's nothing to pick apart. It has no factual basis whatsoever. It's been a waste of time to even read it.

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so much for my virginity lol

I think a lot of people just lost their virginity if thats true....

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3. Likewise, unless a sexual act can cause an orgasm simultaneously for both parties involved, it is unnatural and not an act of consummation. If a marriage cannot be consummated, then it should not be allowed.

Ummm just because you're straight doesn't necessarily that both parties simultaneously orgasm..... and with the right coordination any two people can orgasm at the same time....

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Wow...I've never heard thatbefore.

me neither

so much for my virginity lol

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Some believe that making out is performing intercourse because it shows the first sign of sexual desire.

Wow...I've never heard that before.

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Your argument seems to be based only on your personal wants and ideals of society. You are not thinking about the fact that America is a place of freedom and liberty.

That's a good point. Rosalyn, you are basing your arguments on what you personally believe would be best for out country, and you are also putting words into other people's mouths. America is the land of the free - and what you are saying is that you want to take that away.

Very interesting defensive stand. I have to say that you do logically deduce to your conclusion that gay marriage should not be allowed in the U.S., but I also think that the whole basis and foundation for your argument is illegitimate. Who says that marriage is meant for procreation? People marry for a variety of reasons, not just to reproduce and keep the population growing. People who aren't married still reproduce so your first sentence does not apply to your argument.
Intercourse can be perceived in different ways by different people. Some believe that making out is performing intercourse because it shows the first sign of sexual desire. Also, some people don't hold marriage and the family unit sacred so your use of the word "we" is not used correctly in your argument.
Your argument seems to be based only on your personal wants and ideals of society. You are not thinking about the fact that America is a place of freedom and liberty. The restraint of freedom is what causes havoc not the other way around as you said, "Through this happening, there will be an increase of rapes, murders, thefts and a cornucopia of other crimes to that effect." History displays this perfectly through the American Revolution, and the documents that founded that founded our country -- Constitution, Declaration of Independence, etc.

Oh.

I know who you were referring to. I was being sarcastic too.

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Originally posted by WorthWaitingFor:

So I guess I'm not one of the "good" ones then, huh?

Darn. I was so hoping...

I was being sarcastic, because as you should know, a lot of so called "good christians" come in here preaching about how righteous they are, while they do things like lie, engage in pre-marital sex, etc.

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Originally posted by Rosalyn_Andrews:
1. Marriage is meant for procreation. If you can’t procreate, you shouldn’t be allowed to marry. This includes sterile people.

I'm terribly sorry, I must have misunderstood everything
You see, I was harboring under the idea that sex was meant to procreate. I had NO idea that you couldn't have babies without marriage.

Doesn't point 5 contradict itself:

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By allowing gay marriage—a currently illegal act—it sends the message that anyone can mess with the government and change any law to support their own needs. This is completely out of line with what the U.S. stands for, which is “for the people, by the people.”

Surely this is somewhat confused - not only because gramatically it should be "currently an illegal act" - since surely the whole point of by the people for the people is that people can change the laws in accordance with thier needs and d