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Picture of Blank04
Registered: November 10, 2004
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The US is based upon business. The Stock market and coorporate giants bringing jobs and income to American families. So why are we so pitted against our coorporate foundation?

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Registered: January 12, 2005
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Yes, big business and corporations bring money to America. However corporations bring more money to *themselves*. A corporation is not loyal to the population of any one country, but to its stockholders.
Yes that is almost the definition of a corporation. Without profit there would be no incentive to operate.

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The prosperity of the consumers of America is always going to be a secondary consideration to that of profit, and this can result in corporations regularly marketing products which they *know to be harmful to consumers* in order to make a profit. That bothers me.
Yes it can reuslt in that. But rarely does it happen without great consequences.
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The economic benefits to us in the west come at the expense the rest of the world. Big business and excessive consumerism drain the planet of resources and exploit the desperate, being an unjust and controlling force in many areas of the world.

I resent corporate power because it is not guided by moral principles and because corporations can use money to avoid accountability for their actions.
It depends. Some corporations are guided by enviromental and moral principles.

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The government of any democratic country is held accountable to their people who hold the power of the vote.

However, corporations, which have equal if not greater influence on our lives and on the state of the planet are not subject to the same level of accountability. They are elusive, they can buy their way out of trouble,
How may I ask?

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and we cannot vote them out.
Don't go to the store or buy the products/services. That's how.


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Registered: April 22, 2002
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The vast majority of consumers do not care about the complete absence of moral principles in the corporate system, even when they're told about them, and that disappoints me.

Yes, big business and corporations bring money to America. However corporations bring more money to *themselves*. A corporation is not loyal to the population of any one country, but to its stockholders. The prosperity of the consumers of America is always going to be a secondary consideration to that of profit, and this can result in corporations regularly marketing products which they *know to be harmful to consumers* in order to make a profit. That bothers me.

The economic benefits to us in the west come at the expense the rest of the world. Big business and excessive consumerism drain the planet of resources and exploit the desperate, being an unjust and controlling force in many areas of the world.

I resent corporate power because it is not guided by moral principles and because corporations can use money to avoid accountability for their actions.

The government of any democratic country is held accountable to their people who hold the power of the vote.

However, corporations, which have equal if not greater influence on our lives and on the state of the planet are not subject to the same level of accountability. They are elusive, they can buy their way out of trouble, and we cannot vote them out. To make things worse it is now getting to the point where corporations *control governments*. If westerners believe in democratic principles I do not understand how so many can shrug off the issue of corporate power.
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Registered: March 21, 2004
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The corporations would buy and sell souls if they could make a profit.


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Registered: October 06, 2004
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we are pitted against the great corparations because we duslike that they are wealthy and corrupt, and have a track record of abuse and extortion.


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Registered: March 09, 2005
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You ask why were so agianst corporate america. We arent really against corporate america, at least the majority of americans arent, or else we wouldnt contribute our money to their autocraticey in our govornment. The truth is that money runs america, no one person, but the greed that we all contribute to american and wrold society. that is what is running our world. Therefor, those of us who contribute, obviously arent pitted agaisnt corporations, but for them, the real question is whether or not we should be. and we shouldnt. It doesnt have to be this way! A little selflessness goes a long way. We shouldnt be fighting this uphill battle, ugh!
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Registered: December 11, 2003
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To say we our a country not based in economic prosperity is bullsh!t.


It is bull****. The US is a money country. Who cares who you are, what you've done, nothing, if you have money, you can do whatever you please in the US.


"Regardless, I have always, and will always, succeed."
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Registered: December 13, 2004
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Coorporations did began in the 1800s with the Industrial Revolution, we're talking 1804(give or take). The US was in its infancy as it had only existed for less than 40 years. Yet, even before that trade and global investment existed. The Opium Trade in China, the planting of rubber trees in South America, the use of African land for cash crops were all examples of economic foundation in the world. The stock market crash of the 1920s and the Great Depression are all examples of the US's dependency on economy. To say we our a country not based in economic prosperity is bullsh!t.


"Circumstances make men, men don't make circumstances."-Heroductus
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Registered: June 02, 2004
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Wow. Where did you come from?

(No offense, it's just that you're a "newbie" according to your name, and you're actually posting about a more "mature" issue. I find that strange...)


Live and Let Live. Love and Let Love.
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Registered: December 23, 2004
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Due to the fact that several large companies continually lie about corporate policies, the American mind seems to pin a label onto all corporations. Surely some of these "deserve" boycotts and angry consumers, but others are simply caught under the umbrella of what we might call corporate deceit. I agree though, without these major corporations, our economy would not be what it is today, yet its important for them to keep up a standard in areas such as working conditions and pay.


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Registered: June 02, 2004
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Why can't we all become primal tribes again, hunting and gathering our food rather than earning this "money"? What's so wrong with that?


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Registered: December 05, 2003
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"So why are we so pitted against our coorporate foundation?"

Because we don't have a corporate foundation. The idea of a corporation didn't even exist when the US became a country. And during the industrial revolution of the mid 1800's there were many workers movements going against the newly forming corporations. They believed the workers should own the factories they worked in and many opposed wage labor. Keep in mind that these ideas formed totally independently of European Communism, Americans came up with these ideas on their own.

Today, people don't trust corporations for very logcial reasons. One is that they're so powerful and we have absolutely no say in what happens within them. It seems throughly undemocratic that we should have no say in such a big part of our lives. Moreover, these companies determine how we live our lives, and they have no problem if the workers can barely afford food. If you notice, real wages have increased 6 percent since the end of the 1960's compared to well over 200 percent in the preceeding 30 years. This is because our government has been supporting corporations in their fight against organized labor.
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Registered: December 11, 2003
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Because Americans don't know they have nothing worry about.


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