What are you talking about Knight?

Because those f--king treehumpers who say we cant put up an oil pipline because it might hurt the damn caribou. Read my lips f--k the caribou! If it means cheaper gas i say we wipe them from existence with the tree huggers!

Gas is at 2.54 today!

gas prices are very astronamical and at least they are coming down! i drive a 96 camry and it takes $50 to fill it up. not all small cars are fuel efficiant. i get about 24-26 miles to the gallon and i fill it up at least once a week!

small cars aren't always great, (unless you mean somthing like a metro or diesel rabbit with a standard transmission and overdrive) Hell my big ol' diesel dodge ram one ton pickup got the same mileage as my old grand'am. But diesels by their nature offer better mileage especally with modificatons. Diesel fuel contains more btu's per gallon than gasoline so it offers more energy than the same ammount of gasoline.

Small cars aren't everything... My minivan (93 Plymouth Voyager with 160K) got about the same my current car (95 Plymouth Acclaim with 135K) does...

I've been driving for about 3 years, but only had my license for 1. I didn't get my own car (and I wasn't about to put gas in my mom's explorer...) until the very beginning of October...it was right after gas skyrocketed for Katrina (up to like $3.219 in my area) and prices were dying down again. I found a great gas station that had gas for under $2 for like an entire month...those were the good old days.

I still haven't put over $30 in my tank...I got just under a half a tank yesterday (at $3.089...) for $12.25...Then my mom was all psyched because she found gas for $2.989 and was all like "haha". I told her though, that I only lost out on like 25 cents by buying the expensive gas. It still cost her over $50 to fill up...

Drive a small car...

oh my bad, my sarcasm meter was going crazy i must have thought it was a glitch

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Originally posted by finn620:

And technically there was nothing wrong with my first point. Biodiesel creates CO2. I didn't say it wasn't better than fossil fuels, I just said it wasn't great. And, if our fuel usage increases exponentially, producing enough could be a problem.

Well, you implied that alternative hydrocarbons were't "a viable solution" I disagreed with that, I think they should eventually be a key part of the solution. It's probably a semantical issue. And if demand increases exponetially, producing enough of ANY fuel ends up being a problem.

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oh how young, I remember paying 99 cents.

I know, now I feel old. I say Megean's post and thought: "What?? I remember when I though 1.99 was totally exorbinant and refused to pay it."

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Originally posted by Hydrok:
I dont find her attractive at all... I think I recall her poking fun at John Kerry's plastic surgery, well she's hardly got room to talk

Exactly, my friend, exactly.

I dont find her attractive at all... I think I recall her poking fun at John Kerry's plastic surgery, well she's hardly got room to talk

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Originally posted by Hydrok:
she's ugly too did you know?

What are you talking about?
Her appearance is her finest quality.

she's ugly too did you know?

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Originally posted by Hydrok:
God is punishing you for being a liberal... straight from Ann Coultier

(who also said on fox news that the crisis in nK is bill clintons fault)

And also said that the wives of men who died in 9-11 are attention whores and "enjoy their husband's deaths."

And also said that the nation has gone downhill since women were allowed to vote.

What a nice lady.

God is punishing you for being a liberal... straight from Ann Coultier

(who also said on fox news that the crisis in nK is bill clintons fault)

You all can stop whining, because its $3.30-something in LA.

In my area, the cheapest is 2.99, but that's what we get for living right next to the refineries.

oh how young, I remember paying 99 cents.

Gas jumped from $2.999 to $3.099 here...I think the first time I've ever paid more than $3 a gallon...

I remember when I paid $1.969 per gallon once...I miss that.

So essentially we're agreeing on this.

And technically there was nothing wrong with my first point. Biodiesel creates CO2. I didn't say it wasn't better than fossil fuels, I just said it wasn't great. And, if our fuel usage increases exponentially, producing enough could be a problem.

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AnnieGurl-
Biodiesel is not a viable solution because
1. it still creates carbon dioxide emissions and
2. we can't feasibly make enough to fuel a country like the US.
It doesn't support the oil industry, but it isn't that great for the environment. Better, but not great, and not a permanent solution.

Well, there's a problem withe the first point there. Even though biodesiel and the like still emit CO2, it contributes far, far less to the increase of atmospheric CO2 because the carbon in biodesiel was already in the surface carbon cycle.

The problem with traditional fossil fuels is that they take carbon that has been sequestered underground for millions of years and reinject it into the surface cycle. Once there, it's there untill it forms into peat or petroleum again.

What Biodeisel and thermal depolymerization do is take organic materials that have carbon in them from the cycle and just turn it into usable energy.

Think of it like this:

Traditional:
Coal-->Fuel-->Atmosphere-->Plants-->Peat-->Coal

In the long run, we burn far more fossil fuels than the plants end up sequestering back into natural fossil fuels.

Thermal Depolymerization (or biodeisel):

Organic Matter-->Fuel-->Atmosphere-->Plants-->Organic Matter
...and so on.

Now you're right in saying Biodeisel isn't the solution. But thermal depolymerization can use almost any organic matter, from old tires to farm waste to plastic bottles. It's far more fesible, and I think it's an excellent transition method.

It won't solve the problem, because if you keep burning more and more fossil fuels every year, the levels will still go up, but not as fast as traditional systems. If you burn the same amount of fossil fuel every year, theoretically the levels should stay the same, aside from natural fluctuation.

We can use that to ween ourselves off of oil, while other methods take over.