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Picture of Xray321
Registered: October 09, 2006
Posts: 72
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Originally Poted by:Zoasterboy; Its been a little slow going but in a few years it will really kick off.


Yes it has, but at the moment there is one gas powered car for every 5 people in America Imagine just taking hose off the road overnight. No one would have transportation. In order to use the ethanol special parts have to be put in the cars (since its an alcahol its very corrosive) and the compression ratios are so different. People would have to do so many mods to their cars to get them just to tur over using this fuel that its better to slowly introduce it. Imagine your paying off a 20,000 dollar vehicle and the next day its worthless because gas isn't available at pumps anymore. So now you are still paying for the car, but noone else is gonna want it. Well time to open a museum. I support alternate fuel sources so that we can drop the cost of transportation BUt its gotta be gradual. Who knows, when people start buying the flex fuel vehicles in larger numbers, maybe it will take demand off gas and drop its prices for both fuel sources.


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Picture of Holliewood
Registered: February 26, 2002
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Gas has been 2.24 for a while. Smile

And the focus isn't really hydrogen. I've thought ethanol has been a great idea from the start. I'm so happy it is finally being integrated into our fuel. Its been a little slow going but in a few years it will really kick off.


"The story of my life. I always get the fuzzy end of the lollipop."
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Registered: July 12, 2006
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produces a bunch of carbon that's free to wander and make some CO2...


So study how not to!


-yah
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Registered: July 24, 2006
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Gas prices are up to like 7 bucks in sweden or ona those European countries. So be happy. And study hydrogen.

But Hydrogen is hard to make, and the way that it's made produces a bunch of carbon that's free to wander and make some CO2...


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Registered: May 07, 2003
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I saw gas for $2.399 today. I SOOO wanted to stop; I'm at just under a half tank. However...the gas I last filled up with made my "check engine" light go on and so I want to get rid of as much of it as I can before I go mixing in some not bad gas...


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Registered: February 26, 2002
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Yeah, not having a car in downtown Cleveland is not the best idea... but thats just Cleveland.


"The story of my life. I always get the fuzzy end of the lollipop."
Picture of yogore
Registered: February 02, 2004
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if you live in a city, you shouldn't have a car.

It depends on the size of the city and quality of public transportation. I think Boston is the only city in MA that you don't need a car in.


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Registered: July 12, 2006
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Gas prices are up to like 7 bucks in sweden or ona those European countries. So be happy. And study hydrogen.


-yah
Picture of Holliewood
Registered: February 26, 2002
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I just left for college this week and all of a sudden I hear gas is $2.19! So, then I of course get sick as hell on friday and just go home for the weekend. Then as I pass about 3 stations by my house, all being 2.19, I see that they are either roped off by yellow caution tape or there is an unbelievably long line of cars trying to get in the station causing a ridiculous traffic jam in the middle of intersections. I figured it wasn't really worth almost getting hit in the middle of a busy intersection for a tank of gas. I don't know, maybe I'm crazy for not taking advantage of that, but either way I really wanna know what the hell is going on in my city...


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Picture of clpo13
Registered: November 05, 2004
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I need a car because I live in a rural area at least nine miles from the nearest town. Public transportation? Nada. Housing closer to the two? Too expensive. Hybrid cars? Way too expensive. Solar cars? It's Washington; we have no sun. Walking? Too far. Biking? Too far, plus lots of hills.

Easy answers aren't always available. Cars are necessary in some situations. In the middle of a population center, it's actually unfeasible to have a car, considering the high prices of parking, much less gas, so yes, if you live in a city, you shouldn't have a car. But then, I don't live in a city. The nearest city (Seattle) is 80 miles from here. Then again, I'll be living there for college in little less than a month, where I won't have a car and will use the very nice bus system as much as I need to.

But my family will still be miles away from town and will have to use cars. I think I've made my point.


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Picture of ChaosSplintered
Registered: August 05, 2006
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Exactly. You can probably find a close house to your job, a market, and the like, and save yourself on gas.

Otherwise, if I had to get a car. I'd get a solar electric car, when they become avaliable. Why? I like electricity.

And fusion seems like a good way to make it. The fusion that comes from the sun.

And once again, it's teh Slackware. My car, and my toaster will have Slackware.


Cheated the way from fringe to elite. Clique of stylists, rounded illogic skipping a beat to a dead cert. By lheaving charges and bursting the abscess, with a forked toungue, bloated with courage and spewing self-importance. Drop your sights, aim lower, leave umblemished those with real power.
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Registered: May 07, 2003
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I live near the motor city...we're seriously lacking in public transportation.

I realized on my trip, that if I lived in a city such as Chicago, I would not own a car. There would be absolutely no need.

Smartcars are cool...just not when you're driving on the same road as semi's and Hummers...


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Picture of ChaosSplintered
Registered: August 05, 2006
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You see, my entire solution to this, is just to walk.
Or get a bike.
Like those nice little Japanese people.

(This is/was sarcasm. No offense to Japanese people.)

But seriously, owning a car doesn't seem like it would be that beneficial. If I need to travel, I'll take a cab, or I will fly. Or take the bus. Or ride a bike.

I don't need to own a car.

And if it get's the point where I need a car, and a bike, just won't do. I'll get one of those smart cars. Why? Because they are the ultimate geek mobile.

And I can probably figure out some way to install Slackware on it.

But it doesn't seem like something I'd need. Unless I'm going to be crossing a highway, I don't see a problem with walking.


Cheated the way from fringe to elite. Clique of stylists, rounded illogic skipping a beat to a dead cert. By lheaving charges and bursting the abscess, with a forked toungue, bloated with courage and spewing self-importance. Drop your sights, aim lower, leave umblemished those with real power.
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Registered: May 07, 2003
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They want to drill for oil in my city...it is very weird. We're not talking about much oil at all...so it's not like when the city refuses to let them drill it's going to affect progress at all...

We bought gas for $2.539 today...Smile


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Picture of ChaosSplintered
Registered: August 05, 2006
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I blame stupid people. Why? I blame stupid people for alot of people. And I blame stupid people who label people as stupid people. So I blame me. But that would mean I'm a stupid person. And I believe if you can call yourself stupid, you show amount of intelligence. Making you not stupid. So I'm in a paradox really. Or maybe I'm not, since I might be talking about two exclusive people labeling themselves.

Anyway!

I say Gas Prices are just high.
Why? A good combonation of things.
People thinking oil is going to run out, the instability in the Middle East, the instability in the US, corporate greed, greed of people in general, pipelines breaking down, more costs to make the oil, odd equations of supply and demand, global warming probably plays somewhere into there too, crazy activists now producing as much hot air as activists, oil being used for different things, people beginning to rely less on oil, which could make it more expensive to produce, oil companies sensing some sort of loss in profits, so they're jacking it up, George W. Bush probably has a swimming pool of it somewhere, the damn Albertans hogging all of it, the damn Alaskans hogging it too, China, Chinamen, and some crazy scientist probably had something to do with it, and finally, stupid people.

There.

I think I got everything.


Cheated the way from fringe to elite. Clique of stylists, rounded illogic skipping a beat to a dead cert. By lheaving charges and bursting the abscess, with a forked toungue, bloated with courage and spewing self-importance. Drop your sights, aim lower, leave umblemished those with real power.
Picture of Holliewood
Registered: February 26, 2002
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I saw $2.759 today! (PLEASE let this last once school starts!!!)

Amen to that!


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Picture of benje309
Registered: January 03, 2005
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sorry for double posting...

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fill up our gas tanks.


Do you drive?


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Registered: January 03, 2005
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It's George Bush's fault.


Ok. You know I'm not a GWB fan. But is it really his fault that the countries (i.e. middle east and most arab nations) with the most oil don't like us (America)? No. They hate us because we are a democratic nation. We have rights. We have freedoms. If Gore or Clinton were in office, those same nations would still hate us. Supply and Demand. Demand is high (summer months, SUVs), Supply is low (the BP pipeline issues, holding back supplies to make more $$). We use too much gas. It's that simple. I say buy prius's. I really want a Yaris. Americans need to recogize that big cars are going to cost a lot at the pump. Then again, people that buy Hummers in the first place probably can afford to pay high prices at the pump.


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Registered: May 07, 2003
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It's not just the president...

It's called supply and demand. It's like the first thing you learn in an economics class. When the demand is higher for a product (in this case, oil/gasoline), the supply is depleted quickly. To counteract the high demand, prices raise.

With our high demand for gasoline to fill our sterotypically (although usually accurately) INSANELY LARGE vehicles (SUV's anyone?)...there is nowhere for the prices to go BUT up.

I saw $2.759 today! (PLEASE let this last once school starts!!!)


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Picture of yogore
Registered: February 02, 2004
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just people who care more about caribou than people and would kill children to save seals.

High gas prices donj't kill children, shutup.

I'm glad gas prices are high. it shows everyone that there is a huge problem. It's George Bush's fault. Without the war, gas would be cheaps. We alll owe big old George a big thanks for spending entire all paychecks to fill up our gas tanks.


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