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Registered: May 17, 2004
Posts: 18
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http://www.sweatshops.org/scorecard.htmlWould you still keep buying clothes and other goods from a store if you found out the stuff is made in abusive sweatships around the world, including in the US (such as tenements in NYC)?
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Registered: June 22, 2008
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As much as i disgree with the conditions, if these sweatshops didnt exist then thousands of people already in poverty would be without jobs and evenworse off, so in reply to teh question , would you keep buying...? Yes i would, because i know that by me and others buying these items is earning these peple enough to survive.
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Registered: March 27, 2006
Posts: 103
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..... yes, but i question the fact that iteams from sweat shops are still hyped up even though some workers from sweat shops are not even paid a american doller after a week or two of work. soo greed takes its toll?
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Registered: November 05, 2004
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Yes, I have a pair of Nike tennis shoes. No my conscience doesn't bother me. They were cheaper than any American-made crap I could have found. It's kind of ironic how sweatshop clothing tends to be higher quality... Besides, a crappy low-paying job is better than no job, am I right? I would gladly sew together some rich dude's expensive shoes if it got me off the street and gave me a bit of money. You've got to get inside the mindset of these sweatshop cultures. They have no good jobs. The only farming is subsistence, growing only enough food to feed you and your family, with nothing left to sell. The majority of people live on the streets with only the clothes on their back. Sweatshops actually produce jobs and give people money. It's also a simple case of economics. When faced with the choice of two shoes--$40 sweatshop-made Nikes, or some $70 American-made nameless brand--which do you think I'm going to get? Seventy bucks is a hell of a lot of money for shoes. If saving money means supporting sweatshops, I'm all for it.
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: January 10, 2006
Posts: 19
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I recently found out about Nike. If your reading this you might be wearing some of their shoes or a hat of theirs. It was put together by a little girl with a big needle on the side of the street trying to sew your shoe and its sole together. Think about that next time your in a sports store. Thanks.
Becky
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Registered: October 30, 2005
Posts: 130
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Hell no. I would refuse. I'm quickly learning about companies that use slave labor, and am quickly stopping using their products if I ever did use them in the first place.
"Security gives way to conspiracy."
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Registered: September 29, 2004
Posts: 3690
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To save myself some time, nydoll, go here.If you're ever stuck, try wikipedia. It's (more often than not) great information.
A lo hecho, pecho.
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Registered: November 24, 2005
Posts: 127
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What is a sweatshop?? omg, i dont know what a sweatshop is, sue me. will someone just explain?
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Registered: June 02, 2004
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Registered: November 19, 2005
Posts: 22
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They are a friendly employer. This sweatshop stuff is largly over emphasized. Did you know that American and Canadian off-shoring to India has actually for the first time created a developing middle class that has never existed before. Did you know that the $550.00 US a month that a call centre agent makes in India is about as much as that persons parents make in a year? Did you know that in that economy $500 USD makes you really wealthy? Did you know that it costs about 3 to 4 times as much to supply the same service in America? Did you know that most people in America don't want to work in a call centre and therefore people turn over like crazy and we get no service from anyone with any skill or training. Did you know that there are more bad service calls answered right out of the USA then from India or the Phillipines? Probably not. Go there and see it and then I will respect your opinion. quote: Originally posted by whyamihere:
Sweatshops do provide a living for some who might otherwise be unemployed, but I think my problem is with the consistency of the American government. We promote the idea that we are a nation dedicated to these high-minded ideals about democracy (which are predicated on the notion of an just treatment of people in the workforce) but then fail to enforce such values in all international corporate practices. These sweatshops would not be legal in America, and therefore they are inconsistent with a representation of the American ideals.
Also, the issue is not that corporations are indeed providing people with a living, however meager. It's that they could very well afford to pay them a salary which would keep them in a better standard of living and thus perhaps help alleviate the poverty of the area. But instead they place coporate gains over moral (and representational) obligations. If America is dedicated to the well being and democratization of other nations, why does it not instead establish itself as a friendly employer within these countries. Better for the American image, better for the workers.
Of course this is a purely idealistic situation.
Old Guy
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Registered: November 19, 2005
Posts: 22
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This is a really broad stroke you are painting. Inflaming peoples emotions around these issues does not solve the problem. You go there and show us that woman and then I will beleive you. Otherwise you are just pushing air. quote: Originally posted by jazzandbubbles: "Poverty" is a term used to describe situations where a person is receiving no wage at all, or a wage so small that it doesn't allow them to sustain themselves. 18 hours a day, seven days a week, long hours overtime, both paid and unpaid...Check this quote: "There's a girl who's seven months pregnant working ten hours a day," said one garment worker, "and as she has to make lots of pieces per hour the employer doesn't let her go to the toilet. It's sheer torture for her, but she can't afford to lose her job."Come on. Labour costs are less than 1% of the amount we pay. And the reason they do it is because they know they have no other choice! And that's when we gotta start making some noise and stirring those decision makers, because the choice is both ours and theirs. Write to sportswear companies!! Let them know you don't like what they're doing to their workers. And write to governments..there's so so so so so so so much you can do ------ Take a look --> = make trade fair
Old Guy
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Registered: November 19, 2005
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I happen to travel the globe off-shoring manufacturing, call centter and BPO jobs. I have colleagues that work for Walmart who do nothing but visit all supplier sites globally and on a constant basis to ensure that the factories are not engaging in unfair or poor working practices. The criteria used to evaluate these operations is enormously stringent. If you fail the test you are fired. It is that simple. Anyone who doubts the global benefits of having goods manufactured or services provided off shore should think about Tom Peter's quote. "For the sake of my children I would rather have 1 billion happy Indian people who are participating in the ecomomy as opposed to a billion really angry Indian people." I have personally seen and managed work off-shore and it has an incredibly positive imact for both the host country and us. quote: Originally posted by ToeTrench:
Bella, yes I have shopped at walmart. I'm honest, there. Who the hell hasn't shopped there? But does that mean I like sweatshops? NO. I try to avoid places like that as much as possible, but its not ALWAYS possible. Besides, I'd rather use my money on something much more worthwhile like GASBEGONE!
Old Guy
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Registered: November 19, 2005
Posts: 22
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In the UAE (United Arab Emirates) like Dubai shirts are shipped in from China and fitted with buttons locally. This way they can sport a tag that says Made in the U.A.E. Are we just catching on to this in the U.S.A.? quote: Originally posted by daveman486: quote: made in italy, made in spain, made in france
does it really matter??? i mean some labels just out this on, even if it originaly comes from somewhere else
Off topic, but there is a city in japan called "usa". After there ww2 recovery some products from japan had "made in usa" tags on them.
Old Guy
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Registered: April 24, 2003
Posts: 2196
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quote: Stupid people make my brain sad.
"Victories that are easy are cheap. Those only that are worth having are the ones which come as the result of hard fighting"-Henry Ward Beecher
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Registered: November 05, 2004
Posts: 6054
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Yay sweatshops!
The more you know, the less you don't know.
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Registered: April 03, 2004
Posts: 6560
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Don't revive old threads.
The man who smiles when things go wrong has thought of someone to blame it on. - Robert Bloch
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Registered: May 17, 2003
Posts: 4
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"Poverty" is a term used to describe situations where a person is receiving no wage at all, or a wage so small that it doesn't allow them to sustain themselves. 18 hours a day, seven days a week, long hours overtime, both paid and unpaid...Check this quote: "There's a girl who's seven months pregnant working ten hours a day," said one garment worker, "and as she has to make lots of pieces per hour the employer doesn't let her go to the toilet. It's sheer torture for her, but she can't afford to lose her job."Come on. Labour costs are less than 1% of the amount we pay. And the reason they do it is because they know they have no other choice! And that's when we gotta start making some noise and stirring those decision makers, because the choice is both ours and theirs. Write to sportswear companies!! Let them know you don't like what they're doing to their workers. And write to governments..there's so so so so so so so much you can do ------ Take a look --> = make trade fair |
Registered: April 22, 2002
Posts: 279
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If you're buying goods from any store then you can often *assume* they have been made in abusive sweatshops. The cheaper they are the more likely it is - unless it's something like Nike who make their shoes using the cheapest labour *possible* and then raise the prices ridiculously so that they end up with a stinking huge profit.
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Registered: September 11, 2004
Posts: 150
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Bella, yes I have shopped at walmart. I'm honest, there. Who the hell hasn't shopped there? But does that mean I like sweatshops? NO. I try to avoid places like that as much as possible, but its not ALWAYS possible. Besides, I'd rather use my money on something much more worthwhile like GASBEGONE!
"Drop out of school before your mind rots from our mediocre educational system" Frank Zappa
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Registered: September 21, 2004
Posts: 49
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Sweatshops do provide a living for some who might otherwise be unemployed, but I think my problem is with the consistency of the American government. We promote the idea that we are a nation dedicated to these high-minded ideals about democracy (which are predicated on the notion of an just treatment of people in the workforce) but then fail to enforce such values in all international corporate practices. These sweatshops would not be legal in America, and therefore they are inconsistent with a representation of the American ideals. Also, the issue is not that corporations are indeed providing people with a living, however meager. It's that they could very well afford to pay them a salary which would keep them in a better standard of living and thus perhaps help alleviate the poverty of the area. But instead they place coporate gains over moral (and representational) obligations. If America is dedicated to the well being and democratization of other nations, why does it not instead establish itself as a friendly employer within these countries. Better for the American image, better for the workers. Of course this is a purely idealistic situation.
It's times like this that make you sad you're alive/Standing with a fool's fixed grin/Don't pretend you can't see me cry/It's not like I have crocodile skin
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