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Originally posted by phantom119:
Saw the site, you gotta think. If we didn't test on animals what would we test it on? I'd like to hear what you think. Do you think that it would be better to test it on people? Besides, you've never disected have you? You learn A LOT. This is a pretty stupid scenario but humor me; a vet, fresh out of vet school, has to save a dog with heart troubles. They go surgery, the dog is opened up and the doctor, who has never seen any blood because of using "Virtual" disection, pukes into the chest cavity and kills the poor dog. Is that the kind of thing you want to happen to poor Fluffy?

(And yes, I know it was a very retarded scenario, but you get my point)

I just felt like bumping this quote up here

Our biology teacher made us discect animals, which believe me I didn't like that idea, at the time I figured well I eat animals so I really have no right to say I think its wrong to disect. (I am now a vegetarian since shortly after school started this year.) Yet our biology teacher told a vegetarian in my class she had to participate and she would not be given an alternitave because he didn't believe in computer program discections! If she didn't do the discection you would instantly fail the class (second semester only I think but even then discections were always at the END of the semester so you can work for MONTHS and not do a disection or something and have to take the WHOLE thing over again thats why I totally did a pretty bad job on a few assignments that I didn't get alot of time to do.) Well anyways disection was one of the manditory "standards and benchmarks" in his required class for graduation yet if you had the other teachers biology class EVERYTHING WAS EASY, and I either was put with the harder biology teacher because I had no other time available than 8th hour the way my other classes took up time or something, or maybe it was because every time the guidance councelor asked me how I liked my classes I told him my science teacher was really boring and annoying and I didn't learn anything the way he taught me my freshman year.

(Another class that is manditory to pass is gym- I think it should be manditory to take not to pass but thats just me on the grounds that Im near morbid obesity and I am NOT PSYCHICALLY CAPABLE of running when they say RUN A LAP ARROUND THE TRACK, Im lucky to make half a lap with a great deal of breathing problems, and my gym teacher almost failed me till he I almost passed out in his class.)

On another note: this one kid in my college writing class made fun of me for being a liberal vegetarian in his speech. IN FRONT OF THE WHOLE CLASS and a bunch of kids from studyhall!

It's not school I don't like, its the classes, well actually I don't like school at all really, I like being with my friends! And I think the image of being a highschool student is kinda cool cuz lots of people who had a bad highschool experience envy us!

and on a final note: I learned what animal testing REALLY did today, I always thought oh there washing the bunnies fur with human shampoo, or whatever but it might be too strong and hurt the bunny. Its not that nice.
They put stuff in the rabbits eyes often causing them BLINDNESS! And I saw some of these rabbits fur spots and what not. I know they test medicine on animals, now thats bad but not morally as bad as cosmetics and what not because medicine is something often actually NEEDED vs a WANT. Like cancer treatment. Cosmetics and perfumes are an ornamental thing that you could live without.

yeah i would have to agree i think that its messed up

Kind of sad that just because you see something, you think its true. Check into your resource before you buy into their agenda, possibly?

I have a dog and a cat of my own. I have friends who have all different kinds of pets. I don't know what I would do without my animals. You can see in their eyes when you sad or when your having fun with them, that they care. It's wrong to take these animals that have never harmed anyone to labs. All those animals could be loving somebody else right now, but they're not. They are stuck in some cage with wounds and metal floors awaiting to be sliced open and tested again the next day. It's wrong.
Thanks for making me aware.
Becky

those pictures are disgusting. how do we use animals, who are virtually helpless and are unable to have a say in anything, to test what should be tested on people who are willing to be tested on?.. that might not make sense, but animal testing is cruel.

Why do you people make too big of a deal with animal rights issues, yea, animals do desreve some rights, but how are we all to find if cures or certain things actually work... no humans will be willing to participate in testing some products for safety, would you? Well actually there are some instances that people will be testing medications, but not all people will be willing to die if the product fails to work properly. Testing is not for pleasure, but it has to be done to ensure safety for the rest of the general public. Trust me, I'm studying to go into the Veterinary field...I'm no animal hater! But there have to be some risks to improve the medicine, food, or whatever is out there, so that there is less of a chance that more animals/people will be getting cancer or other illnesses! Also another note, animals eat/kill other animals, there has to be some regulation in the environment to prevent overpopulation or competition for food resources.

Hey! That's no solution. Peace, man.

In the vast majority of situations, animal testing can be avoided and still create a safe product. Only it's much more expensive for the makers of the product.

Animal testing isn't such a horrible malady to us all if the animals receive proper care and attention.

Which is why they test on animals.

Well, i think animal testing is wrong also. I mean what if scientist start testing on us?

hello my name is cindy i think people should really stop animal testing its wrong mean and stupid you people should think twice before you harm a poor little inocent animal thats all for now

I know this is really unlikely but i wish these companies were required by law to to label products saying whether or not they use animal testing. I know realistically that no company would put a sticker saying "we use animal testing" on their product, but its hard to check up on every single product you buy. I try to buy things from whole foods, but they don't have very many options when it comes to make up. I didn't look at the link by the way, I don't think I could handle it.

that would be unbreakmyheart at the bottom of the page and the reasons are the standard mewbie thread revive stupidity.
But the revival did bring oout some very funny comments.

Why did amp bring this topic up again, or who ever did.

LMAO

"OH MY GOD! The heart...it's beating! The program didn't say anything about that!"

Saw the site, you gotta think. If we didn't test on animals what would we test it on? I'd like to hear what you think. Do you think that it would be better to test it on people? Besides, you've never disected have you? You learn A LOT. This is a pretty stupid scenario but humor me; a vet, fresh out of vet school, has to save a dog with heart troubles. They go surgery, the dog is opened up and the doctor, who has never seen any blood because of using "Virtual" disection, pukes into the chest cavity and kills the poor dog. Is that the kind of thing you want to happen to poor Fluffy?

(And yes, I know it was a very retarded scenario, but you get my point)

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Most high schools require a biology course, clpo. I know mine does.

Interesting. Here you have to take two credits of science, one being a lab science. A lot of people skip out on biology and take natural earth sciences and chemistry.

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If schools don't have kids dissecting cadavers to teach human anatomy, then why do they have to dissect animals to learn biology?

Then why not get rid of dissection altogether, virtual included? It's obviously a waste of time to learn about animals, isn't it?

Virtual dissection is no where near the same experiance as actual dissection. I understand that some people are against it, and they should not be forced, but one of ym most memorable science moments was when I dissected a rat. The virtual computer aided disscetion didn't teach me nearly as much.

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Originally posted by Slewinca:
Answer this: If schools don't have kids dissecting cadavers to teach human anatomy, then why do they have to dissect animals to learn biology?

Because nobody thinks of dissecting cadavers and dissecting animal corpses as morally equal activities.