Answer this: If schools don't have kids dissecting cadavers to teach human anatomy, then why do they have to dissect animals to learn biology?

That was a useful post, FML.

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morally or religiously opposed to dissection

lol

Most high schools require a biology course, clpo. I know mine does.

I don't agree with banning dissection. It's incredibly important in studying anatomy. However, I do think there should be alternative project options for students that are morally or religiously opposed to dissection. Virtual dissection, or written assignments, perhaps.

Pro-dissection teachers shouldn't be able to force dissection on all students, nor should anti-dissection teachers/students be allowed to ban it.

Look, if a kid doesn't want to dissect animals, what the hell is he doing in a biology class? Don't ruin it for the rest of us.

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Dissection may be low-tech, but it's hands-on, a must for future biologists/veterinarians/etc.

But obviously not all students are going to be biologists or veterinarians. Knowing what the inside of a frog looks like isn't going to help people who repair motorcycles for example.

There should be a policy in all schools that allows students to choose whether they want to dissect an animal or use an animal friendly alternative. So you can cut up a corpse if you want to, but other people shouldn't be forced to if they're morally against it.

Using detailed models of animal anatomy would do just as well in teaching anatomy in schools as dissection. We don't bring in human cadavers to dissect in middle/high school to teach human anatomy, do we?
(I know they do that in medical school, and that's fine since that's the field they're going in anyway, so it's necessary).

Woohoo, I've always wanted to learn biology by clicking a mouse button. Dissection may be low-tech, but it's hands-on, a must for future biologists/veterinarians/etc.

Regardless of where the animals come from (I couldn't care less), it's still wrong to forbid dissection.

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What's wrong with dissection? Jeez, you're acting like people go out and slaughter frogs just for kicks. I can agree with having an alternative to dissection (for all the weak-hearted weenies out there) but dissection is a crucial part of biology. Cutting it out completely is just as bad as forcing everyone to participate.

The alternatives are actually better than the real thing because, unlike a cut-up corpse, the procedure can be repeated, which is essemtial for learning. Also, using high-tech alternatives can be cheaper for schools to use in the long run, since they can buy a program once and use it every year, rather than having to buy a bunch of dead animals each year.

Face it, in the 21st century, traditional dissection is so low-tech.

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You do know that most, if not all, animals used in biology and zoology classes died of natural causes, right?

Do you have anything to back this up? I'm pretty sure the mothers of the fetal pigs didn't die of natural causes.

Here's a video on where some dissection animals may be coming from: Classroom Cut-Ups
And here's an informative factsheet on dissection: Dissection: Lessons in Cruelty

What's wrong with dissection? Jeez, you're acting like people go out and slaughter frogs just for kicks. I can agree with having an alternative to dissection (for all the weak-hearted weenies out there) but dissection is a crucial part of biology. Cutting it out completely is just as bad as forcing everyone to participate.

You do know that most, if not all, animals used in biology and zoology classes died of natural causes, right? I mean, I don't want you to be under the impression that they were killed mercilessly for no better reason than to have high school kids poke around in their innards. Heck, you can do that without even being in biology.

Since this post ended up on YN's homepage uder the header "Want to cut out dissection in your school?", here's are a few websites that should help you fight dissection in your school: http://www.peta2.com/takecharge/t-dissection.asp http://www.learningwithoutkilling.info/ http://www.dissectionchoice.org/ http://www.dissectionalternatives.org/ http://www.humanestudent.org/ http://www.humaneteen.org/projects5.htm http://www.hsus.org/animals_in_research/animals_in_educ...campaign_packet.html

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i dont think that a lot of those pics are from cruel experiments, but from vets trying to save the animal. now the rabbits, i think they were road kill and the doctors are learning more about them from disection. but everything else i think is just exaggerated.

There is no way you can prove this to be true, unless you talk to the experimenters themselves (but even that may not be accurate, as they may lie to you about it). What you just said is merely opinion.

If you want to look at other websites about animal testing, try the websites I posted here before.

And what exactly does your avatar say anyway? I can't make out what the last line says.

Your avatar explains everything.

i dont think that a lot of those pics are from cruel experiments, but from vets trying to save the animal. now the rabbits, i think they were road kill and the doctors are learning more about them from disection. but everything else i think is just exaggerated.

awee poor kitties

Oh, right. We should test on people instead! Those should be humans in those pictures, not animals! They should so totally ban animal testing!

Oh man...poor guys...That is so wrong. How can we do that to animals? If you want to invent something, test it on yourself!

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OMG I JUST WENT TO THAT ONE WEBSITE SOMEONE SUGGESTED AND SAW THE PIX. I NEVER UNDERSTOOD IT WAS LIKE THAT!! I STARTED CRYING!!! I WISH THERE WAS SOME KINDA PETITION OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD STOP THAT! THAT IS JUST LIKE KILLING A PERSON CUZE I WANT TO TEST MAKE-UP ON THEM.

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Okay girl, calm down, I can help you out
There are some internet petitions out there against animal testing (www.thepetitionsite.com www.petitionthem.com www.petitiononline.com www.gopetition.com www.petitionspot.com should have a few, look around), of course some of them might have more than questionable valididy but it doesn't hurt to sign them anyway.
If you have a cat or dog and decide to boycott iams, check this unique petition out: http://www.peta.org/feat/iams/iams-wycd-petition.html
I think the best way to stop companies from testing on animals is to boycott all who do this and write/email them telling them why you're doing so and let them know that there are alternatives.
I suggest that you should join the animal savings club: www.animalsavingsclub.com They will send you a pack with a list of companies that do and do not test on animals, a pocket guide to companies that don't test on animals, a guide to charities that do and don't fund animal research (the March of Dimes, for example, has funded many studies that involve animals, see here: www.marchofcrimes.com), stickers and a keychain. And the membership and the pack are free! You don't have to spend a dime to get it. You can use the lists to double-check to make sure the makeup you use hasn't been tested on animals. (like mizindy said, if something says "this finished product was not tested on animals" the individual ingredients probably were)
www.caringconsumer.com can also help.
I know I listed a lot of websites there before and you may be scared to look at them all so I'll just reccommend a few.
www.stopanimaltests.com is a basic overview of animal testing and companies that test on animals. A lot of info can be found here.
www.aavs.org AAVS is one of my favorite organizations dealing with animal testing. They have a shopping guide that includes a list of companies that do and don't test on animals that I've found very useful. Request an information pack by emailing them.
www.pandgkills.com Procter and Gamble is a huge corporation, and they test a lot of their products on animals. You can find a list of the products that they make here so you can steer clear of them.
And www.iamscruelty.com is one that deals with the issue of testing dog and cat food on animals in labs, there are some graphic descriptions there so be warned.

Sorry if I made you cry before (it was one of the links I posted, wasn't it?), but now you know and now you're inspired to do something about it. The animals would be glad

OMG I JUST WENT TO THAT ONE WEBSITE SOMEONE SUGGESTED AND SAW THE PIX. I NEVER UNDERSTOOD IT WAS LIKE THAT!! I STARTED CRYING!!! I WISH THERE WAS SOME KINDA PETITION OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD STOP THAT! THAT IS JUST LIKE KILLING A PERSON CUZE I WANT TO TEST MAKE-UP ON THEM. ANIMALS, TO ME, ARE AS EQUAL AS PEOPLE

i think it is wrong. i wear make-up but i make sure it isn't tested on animals. besides a animal mite look kinda silly with make-up on

Yeah, like aren't dogs supposed to be like "Man's Best Friend"? When we test on them are we treating like they are our best friends? No i don't think so. This year in school i had to do a debate on animal testing. We almost won, if i hadn't froze up at the podium. But my group got some disgusting pictures off of the internet, i was looking for them before i ate dinner, and uggh, i could barely eat a bite.

its pretty sh*ty but are they going to test on humans? i dont think so ! i am a avid vegitarian and activist , dont get me wrong, but this is mostly ( i say mostly , not all) in other countries where they dont have a stable and compassionate enviroment for the animals any ways, so where are they going to go ?
p.s. (big p.s. !) "Bath & body works" tests on animals . look on the bottle "THIS ***FINISHED*** PRODUCT NOT TESTED ON ANIMALS" THAT MEANS ALL THE CHEMICALS BEFORE THEY FINISHED PRODUCT *IN THE BOTTLE* WERE TESTED ON SOMTHING