Communism guarantees a spot for the idiots. But that shoudln't be either.

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The theory of communism/ socialism is great.

I would never call something that puts down individuality, creativity, and the ability to reach ones full potential as great. But maybe that is just me.

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I mean a society where everyone does what they can and gets what they need would be amazing.

Marx never discussed people 'doing what they can'. He simply looked at humans as doing the bare minimal and sharing the profit that would be obtained - zero dollars.

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The problem is that there would always be the person who says "I get what I need, so why work?"

So by your own account, it is flawed in theory.

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Communism is an economic system based on generosity

Wrong, it is a system based on stripping everyone of private property.

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Originally posted by Shananagin1618:
Communism is an economic system based on generosity, and capitalism is a system based on greed.

No, communism is a system based on corruption, capitalism is a system based on competition (which brings out the best in people).

And why is Communism flawed? Because it was invented by a human. Marx had a great idea. But it was people like Lenin and Stalin who screwed it up. See, human nature is to gyrate towards leaders and followers. Having everyone be equal just throws people off. They need someone to lead them. Besides, there are some people who, given the chance, will always seize power, even when their political system forbids having someone "more equal" than the rest. Read "Animal Farm" and you'll know what I mean.

Marine16, don't you get what we're saying? The theory of communism/ socialism is great. I mean a society where everyone does what they can and gets what they need would be amazing. The problem is that there would always be the person who says "I get what I need, so why work?" And there is no good way to force them to work. Communism is an economic system based on generosity, and capitalism is a system based on greed.

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Communism would be a good idea if it weren't for humans.

Actually communism is flawed in practice and in principle. It isn't this all great thing that humans can't master.

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Communism would be a good idea if it weren't for humans.

You should make a book of quotes and put that in.

Communism would be a good idea if it weren't for humans.

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Originally posted by panterayall:
socialism does not work. communism is only good before it starts and when it is fully completed, which has and never will happen.

Since I already have one quote on this thread, I have another:

"Communism only works in two places. Heaven, where they don't need it, & Hell, where they already have it."
-Ronald Reagan

socialism does not work. communism is only good before it starts and when it is fully completed, which has and never will happen.

I don't think it "isn't fair" that wealthy people don't share their wealth... I just think it's stupid.

And I don't want their money. I think their money should go to health care, and building houses and getting other people started and healthy in this country and in others.

I mean, how selfish can you get? Give your money and power to people who HAVE NONE!

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WHAAA, EVERYBODY IS OUT TO GET ME. THOSE STUPID PEOPLE WITH GOOD IDEAS ARE JERKS BECAUSE THEY MAKE SO MUCH MONEY. WHY CAN'T I MAKE A LOT OF MONEY. ITS NOT FAIR THAT THEY DON'T SHARE THEIR WEALTH. WHAAAAA

You obviously didn't understand what I said. I said that trying to get tons of money is pointless. If you think about it, that would mean that I don't want tons of money. If I ever do get tons of money, I hope I donate it to good causes and try to make the world a better place with it. If I ever get a lot of power, I hope I use it to help people.
Socialism is a good idea that would work except that most people are corrupt.

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Originally posted by Shananagin1618:
I don't mean ordinary everyday workers. I mean people who make billions and exploit all of our resources and destroy the enviroment etc. Not everyone is evil minded, but some people are.

selfishness, these men are not christian.

Interesting. I see the world as it is, yet I see things completely opposite of reactionary. Odd that.

This reminds me of the age-old problem of trying to get a job. You need experience to get a job, right? Well, how do you get experience? By getting a job. But you can't get a job without experience. And you can't get experience without a job. Catch-22.

Sigh...

WHAAA, EVERYBODY IS OUT TO GET ME. THOSE STUPID PEOPLE WITH GOOD IDEAS ARE JERKS BECAUSE THEY MAKE SO MUCH MONEY. WHY CAN'T I MAKE A LOT OF MONEY. ITS NOT FAIR THAT THEY DON'T SHARE THEIR WEALTH. WHAAAAA.

That is what you sound like Shananagain.

Once again reactionary has proven that he is a straight shooter who sees the world as it is. He obviously does not live in a spaceship that is cut off from reality as it orbits crazy planet.

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"The inherient vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherient virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries

That made me laugh...funny man.

I think who she means are the types of huge corporations that work to suck money out of smaller corporations.

"The inherient vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. The inherient virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries."
-Winston Churchill

I don't mean ordinary everyday workers. I mean people who make billions and exploit all of our resources and destroy the enviroment etc. Not everyone is evil minded, but some people are.

People work hard to get money so they can pay the bills, not because they are involved in some sinester plot to rule your life.