Have you seen pictures of what the animals that are being tested on in labs look like, if you haven't look at www.animalexperimentspictures.com and click on enter and go to all of the animals, then post your opionions.

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Originally posted by Sydney12:
Meh, animals are really just inferior to us anyway... all through hitory we've taken advantage of those weaker than us. I personally don't have a problem with animal testing, atleast they're being usefull. Its all part of human nature.

Inferior to us yet we need them to survive. We both depend on each other for survival.
Oh and we arn't evil. Our acts are. (Well evil in some cases) And another thing. Maya, "It drives me insane how we think that everything on this fucking earth is here solely to satisfy our needs and wants." Nicely put.

this reminded me of these remote control pigeons.

http://news.jongo.com/articles/07/0316/9249/OTI0OQoLovnhmz.html

Technology!

First of all, animal testing is diverse. Groups like PETA seek out the most disturbing footage they can get and try to present it as though all animal testing is that unnecessarily cruel.

Second, the myth that we can't gain anything from medical research since human and animal bodies are different is, well, a myth. Scientists take into account the differences and work to exploit the similarities. The results speak for themselves: animal testing has been instrumental in the development of the polio vaccine; the MRI procedure; the development of, and understanding of resistance to, antibiotics; the drug penicillin; and the procedure of organ transplants, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. Animal testing has led to countless minor advancements in medicine. One thing that's often overlooked is the amount of veterinary knowledge that has been gained from animal testing. Humans ain't the only ones who benefit.

The main reason I'm pro-animal testing is simply that there is no way to conduct many of the important experiments on humans. The study of both the physical bodies and behaviors of living beings can just not be reproduced any other way. I'd also like to slip in this tidbit from Wikipedia: "Over 10 times more animals are used by humans for other purposes (agriculture, hunting, pest control) than are used in animal testing."

What it boils down to, though, is that I simply do not think of animals and humans as equals, and I'll never adopt that philosophy. If it takes the deaths of a thousand animals to save one human life, that, in my opinion, is an excellent trade.

Now obviously, there are parts of the practice that warrant real concern. When the experiment in question can be conducted just as reliably by other means, those other means should be explored. And, of course, the animal testing should be conducted as humanely as possible.

But remember, kiddos: it's about more than make-up.

okay well, nobody understands in the first place what these animals are going through. people just blow it off as another "test" no harm. Behind the walls of an animal testing company they just don't put a lil shampoo on them or put a lil eyeliner on their eyes. They go to the extremes gouging eyeballs, cutting open their bodies, injecting things. I understand we have tons and tons of animals in this world, but they are all innocent... Who ever is reading this and has pets, think of them laying on a table just getting disected, testesd on, suffering. just stop and think for a second. Our bodies have a complete differnt reaction to most of these tests that they do on animals, and when they do these tests they repeat them over and over, so for one...the effect of that product could harm us anyways because we do not have the same effect as the animal and for two... more and more and more animals are dying. and what's the worst part when they don't even put that product out on the market! they just made a ton of helpless innocent animals die becuase of their messed up expierment for someones eye shadow or shampoo. Do not get me wrong i LOVE my make up 100%. i'm hideous with out it it's a life saver, but everysingle product i use it NOT TESTED ON ANIMALS. it's your choice support putting on that makeup that your little puppy suffered from or make a change and stand up for them. they can't speak so we can speak for them, they are starting to get rediculous with how many animals they are killing a day! over 100,000 all over the world. we can stand to use products not testesd on animals, besides if the product has that many chemicals and they need to test it to make sure it wont hurt us then WHY make it in the first place. if you are taking a stand on animal testing write me back! my email is KJSchoenfeld@yahoo.com ... i'll reply and we can come up with our own way to stop this animal testing!

hubbabaloo:

I didn't see the images or the video or whatever that was, my statement was in reply to Sydney(a few posts below). I don't know what the alternative would be so I can't answer your question.

I saw the pictures and frankly, I'm cool with them all. I've seen grosser things working at the hospital. And quite a few of them remind me of the vets office. Would you rather these were humans? Most of these are for medical research, and what do suggest we do instead?

I've disected animals, but hey, my sister's disected humans. It's the exchange. I know people who work in the labs. One woman I know is a geneticist. They inject cancer into mice and then they reproduce them to see if it carries and stuff. She says it's really sad, but in reality they die really quickly cause they're so small. The human diseases overtake them extremely quickly. But do you want us to inject the cancer into humans.

Now, I'm a hamster-keeper. They're my little pets, also known as my babies. It's not that I don't like rodents, but I like them less than my brother who's sitting in the room here, and I'd be outraged if I saw pictures of these things happening to HUMANS. Like Thus Spake Zarathustra. Humans are higher, according to Nietzsche, someday will be the Ubermensch.

Sydney I don't think you get that that still doesn't make it ok. Yeah maybe we've always done it and it's part of human nature to be a selfish asshole but that still doesn't justify it(especially if you're aware of it, that means you can change it, so no it doesn't make it ok). It drives me insane how we think that everything on this fucking earth is here solely to satisfy our needs and wants. That's how important we are.

Thus spoke Zarathustra.



Yes. We do need to overcome our instincts and rise above humanity, as our instincts do lead us to kill, rape, and exploit. Anything that increases reproductive rate is selected for, meaning that there is, for the umpteenth time, no a priori morality in nature. Just because we have instincts doesn't mean we should follow them. They eventually harm us.

And no, syd. We get it. We know what we're talking about.

That's a wonderful excuse not to rise above the humanity in our nature. It's what we do, so why try to change?

Whoa... uh, what you guys don't get is that technically it is in our nature to take advantage of everyhting, everyone and we do it, all the time. its enevitable that animals will be used for tests, we're evil... i don't get what you don't get about that statement. I'm suprised we're not torturing some minority and doing the tests on them. Oh wait we DID, back when hitler was in power. We're EVIL.... can I speelll it out againg E V I L!!!! and there is nothing we can do to change it, we're going to do horrible stuff anyway, atleast we can do it on some over populated rabbit who's species is far from being depleted, thats right, they're useful to us so we use them.

As you wish.

That's what I've been going on about with the a priori thing. Morality is a human construct which did not exist in the universe prior to our existence and is found only in our heads.

I think I should note that nature as a whole knows no right or wrong. It is living and dying, and every variation thereof. There are several "natural" things, or instincts, that are seen as wrong to those with a moral view.

And I did give my opinion on what is natural, but it sounded like I was very tired. Which, in fact, I am. Too tired to be awake, in all reason. But no one said I was someone who listened to reason. No one agree to that.

Statement seconded.

Though really, just because something is "natural" does not make it "right". A lot of our instincts can tear us and our society apart. If we must exploit animals, we should at least do so somewhat intelligently, same with when we use any other natural resource.

And since we're on the subject, what exactly is "natural"? Isn't everything within the universe natural?

"At least they're being useful"?!

What the fuck? Do you have no knowledge of the ways of nature? We are all connected. You should be damn thankfull animals are here for us to be superior to. We would not survive without them.

Google isn't evil.

Does that count?

Meh, animals are really just inferior to us anyway... all through hitory we've taken advantage of those weaker than us. I personally don't have a problem with animal testing, atleast they're being usefull. Its all part of human nature.

The thing about PETA is they try to get a knee-jerk reaction out of people. They show pictures of plastic bags full of bloody rat parts that just as easily could be the by-product of your average high school dissection or an animal feeding.

Finn, I'm jealous. I want to work with raptors. *pouts* Maybe PETA takes the worst of the photos to make a point? I was browsing their website today, and was looking for companies that don't do things like that, and places who aren't, I don't know, evil? There weren't any. And I had to spend five minutes looking for their email so I could ask for a list.

Just to get this out here:

I work in an educational wildlife facility that deals with lots of injured raptors. Naturally, we feed them dead rats and mice, which are supplied to us from laboratories that engage in animal testing. We get the control groups of their experiments, which, though they may have some incisions in them from necropsies, are, apart from being dead and frozen, in good health. Which leads me to believe PETA fudges some of those photographs, or at least makes a big deal out of the fact that dissected animals are bloody.

Animal testing for cosmetics is a frivolous use of living organims. However, medical research involving animals is vitally important for most of our advances.

Don't try to argue that it's "wrong" or "unnatural". Every organism capable of exploiting others for its own gain will.