Honor. Honor above all else is worth dying for.

Paradoxically, isn't the answer life?

Captain huh? I like the sound of that...Captain Knighthammer!

Thank you Captian Obvious

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Originally posted by LoveTheRainbow:
And that is why I hate humanity

Well life sucks and then ya die.

And that is why I hate humanity

If you want peace prepare for war.

Someone said that which is why we have war, to achieve peace. Interesting view, I've never thought about it this way. But there are some wars which are not for the desperate want of peace. Look at the religious wars centuries before, or the wars to gain territory!
And, to the original question. What's worth dying for? What do you feel, why were you born to this world? If you know the answer, you know what's worth dying for. I'd die for piece, for my family, and for a change in the world.

I think family is worth dying for...

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As I suspected Amp... you are a realist.

I can only deal with the world as it's given to me what's real is real

but I would like to learn more about this

As I suspected Amp... you are a realist. Altho I don't have the file at my home at this moment. I will bring the file home on Monday probably and then I'll tell you some more about it plys some good books to read if you wish to learn more. I could probably start a thread. It would be good for debate too since I'm supposed to be cutting a new realism/liberalism file anyway.

you do know that a utopia is "no place" and is inherently a pipe dream right?

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The world is revealed to realists as a dangerous and insecure place where violence is regrettable but endemic.

I'd like to see proof that it isn't

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Liberalism/"utopianism" believes that the world is inherently good and that war is unwanted by all

Realism believes that war is wanted by those that stand to profit from it and that the world is inherently evil.

And people are neither to start with, as human beings we all start with only one thing the instinct to survive everything else including what we think of as good and evil, or just and wrong depends on life experience and the circumstance of our rearing (that's in general you also get the mental deviants but those are thankfully rare)

I don't want war, I don't like the idea of dying no one does but I think there are some things worth dying for like freedom and justice and if my death in a war is required to help bring that to others I will gladly lay down my life for others

but please expand some more on realism and international relations it's very interesting

Amp, I'm so glad you asked!!! (grins)

This gives me the chance to show off what I've been reading recently for debate!!!

I'm sorry Jenos,

ok, According to Scott Burchill in his article Realism and Neo-realism.
"As it's name inplies, realism seeks to describe and explain the world of international politics as it is, rather than how we might like it to be. The world is revealed to realists as a dangerous and insecure place where violence is regrettable but endemic. Realists give high priority to the centrality of the nations state in their considerations, acknowledging it as the supreme political authority n the world."

There isn't per-se a "opposite" to realism, but it was originally created by EH Carr in a response to what he refers to as "utopianism" after WWII. Carr argued simply that one should study International Relations from the stand point of war rather than the objective outcome of peace.

Liberalism/"utopianism" believes that the world is inherently good and that war is unwanted by all

Realism believes that war is wanted by those that stand to profit from it and that the world is inherently evil.

Realism and the world of international relations are a fairly complex topic. I'll start you here, and if you want to know more... ask!!! Then I can show all of my new found knowledge.

Back to the original question at hand, what is worth dying for?

Life.

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What I'm saying is that the world that goes on thru your eyes is out to get the US and so you think we need war

Not as much as you think to tell the truth. I see suffering the world in places like North Korea ruled by mad men who have very large amounts of weapons at their disposal now we could wait for them to die but then another nut would just take their place sometimes force of arms is required to change the world for the better.

Just ask Ghengis Khan for example. The mongols in their 25 year conquest of the known world (yes the entire known word something like 3 times what the romans did in 400 the mongols did in 25) Every place the conquered they introduced religous freedom, an international currecny, things like carrots crossed the globe, free trade, an international mail system and all sorts of things the list goes on forever. But there is no way any of that could have been spread with out the Mongols conquering the world through force of arms.

Also what is the opposite of realism? If your not a realist what are you?

"The opposite of war isn't peace, it's creation." -Rent

Amp, I know how pro military you are so I am fairly sure that I'm not going to change your mind. But I want to say this just to see if I can make you think a little.

Your opinions are SO militaristic and realist. What I'm saying is that the world that goes on thru your eyes is out to get the US and so you think we need war. Would that be right? The US has wars to stop violence. But does it occur to you that that very idea is why EVERY nation in the world has need for war?

What if, and I'm not saying this is a world that is going to happen any time soon. But what if nations in the world quit thinking that each was out to get the other. B/c it's people that think like you that cause wars. They think, well we would be peaceful if those other crazies weren't so violent. But violence and peace are all so subjective. If we all keep thinking that way, war will never ever stop.

Peace is worth dying for. Knowlege maybe. The innocent. I'm sure there's more that I can't think of right now.

but violence is required to restore peace when the power mad begin their attacks

Nope...violence is usually the product of power hunger, not visions of world peace (necassarily). It goes either way, really.

Thus bringing about peace it's the motivating factor behind most defensive minded military actions