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Picture of LoveTheRainbow
Registered: October 28, 2005
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I'm sort of pissed at the major book stores. If you call and ask when DH is coming out they say 7/7/07. There is no friggen realese date yet!


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As of today, DH is available for order!!!!! Through Barnes and Noble at least.


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By doing this we must assume that dumbledore is absolutely certain that someone will defeat voldemort, as he was the only character capable of confronting him in terms of power. I doubt someone as wise would deposit all his faith in a chance like that without reckoning the possibility of failure and defenselessnes as he would no longer be around.


No. Wrong. Dumbledore CANNOT defeat the Dark Lord. It clearly stated in the prophecy that “The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches. born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies . and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not . and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives . the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies .'”

Therefore Dumbledore is not nessesary. However, Snape keeping his cover is.

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if so, dumbledore himself might of been a horcrux.

Two things are wrong with this. Voldemort was seriously afraid of Dumbledore and if Dumbledore was a Horcux WHY would he order him to be killed?


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That seems to go against common logic in this case. letting himself get killed takes more than gives.

By doing this we must assume that dumbledore is absolutely certain that someone will defeat voldemort, as he was the only character capable of confronting him in terms of power. I doubt someone as wise would deposit all his faith in a chance like that without reckoning the possibility of failure and defenselessnes as he would no longer be around.

Did she ever say in any of the books that dumbledore and voldemort fought? has it ever happened? if so, dumbledore himself might of been a horcrux. I know it's far fetched, but who knows.


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The whole "Severus...Please..." line I always thought was to save Harry's life.

Snape saw there was two broomsticks. However Dumbledore was the only one who appeared to be present. Snape is VERY smart. He probably figured out that Harry would be with Dumbledore and that if he was he would most likely be under his invisibility cloak.


That is interesting. I never thought of it like that.


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The whole "Severus...Please..." line I always thought was to save Harry's life.

Snape saw there was two broomsticks. However Dumbledore was the only one who appeared to be present. Snape is VERY smart. He probably figured out that Harry would be with Dumbledore and that if he was he would most likely be under his invisibility cloak.


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There's also that whole thing where Snape has to kill Dumbledore if Draco can't in order to protect Draco. For some reason, I find myself believing Dumbledore knew about that.

The whole "Severus... please..." line. Dumbledore has seemed ready and willing to die for awhile, but that line seems more like he's asking him to kill him to spare Draco, rather than asking him NOT to kill him.


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Silly Shade...

I used to want Snape to be evil. If he does turn out to be evil it will ruin the character for me.


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( It will be me )


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We will see who is right when DH comes out Wink

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Haha. Hopeful fancy.


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Also, why would Dubledore's orders involve doing away with him?

His orders were most likely something along the line of "Do anything to prove to Voldemort that you are working for him, even though you aren't" I think readers often forget that Dumbledore does not see death as such a horrible thing. He said that there are things worse than death and one of those things would be losing the war. So Snape cannot blow his cover.


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Authors don't like simple answers, or straight-forward dillemas. If a reason has been suggested in the books, it is most likely not it. He wouldn't be static if he turns out to really be evil, because in all of the books, doubt has been cast, and characters have spoken up for him, so since we trust them, we believe he is not evil ( well, most of us ). If he is, it would be a complete change, which is why what he did at the end of the other book was so unexpected. Also, why would Dubledore's orders involve doing away with him? Confused


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What about the "he was following Dumbledore's orders" theory? I find myself believing that one most of the time.


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I sort of agree with you Shade but then I don’t. If Snape really is evil then his character will be too static. I’ve sort of been leaning towards the ‘he is just look out for himself’ theory.


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I will contribute my thoughs.

If Snape turns out to be good, he is no longer my favourite character. Killing Dumbledore was the best thing anyone could have done.

If Sirius returns, he will once again be my favourite character. ( Snape can go to the abyss )

If Lucius ever decides to get himself out of prison, I will forever be a swooning fan-boy. Haha.


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Gah! No. Please continue. You are the only one participating.


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Eh...I don't know why I bother. I am humbled at the feet of...eh...people who are considerably more enthusiastic about these books than I am.


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We have seven basic colors and more than seven spells.


Yes. However not all spells make colors and JKR would not have bothered to write the color if it did not serve a purpose.


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We have seven basic colors and more than seven spells.


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